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                 HEARING ON ``THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 DOE 
                               BUDGET''

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                    COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE

                     FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey
                                 Chairman
BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois              CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, Washington
ANNA G. ESHOO, California              Ranking Member
DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado              FRED UPTON, Michigan
MIKE DOYLE, Pennsylvania             MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas
JAN SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois             STEVE SCALISE, Louisiana
G. K. BUTTERFIELD, North Carolina    ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio
DORIS O. MATSUI, California          BRETT GUTHRIE, Kentucky
KATHY CASTOR, Florida                DAVID B. McKINLEY, West Virginia
JOHN P. SARBANES, Maryland           ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois
JERRY McNERNEY, California           H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia
PETER WELCH, Vermont                 GUS M. BILIRAKIS, Florida
PAUL TONKO, New York                 BILL JOHNSON, Ohio
YVETTE D. CLARKE, New York           BILLY LONG, Missouri
KURT SCHRADER, Oregon                LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana
TONY CARDENAS, California            MARKWAYNE MULLIN, Oklahoma
RAUL RUIZ, California                RICHARD HUDSON, North Carolina
SCOTT H. PETERS, California          TIM WALBERG, Michigan
DEBBIE DINGELL, Michigan             EARL L. ``BUDDY'' CARTER, Georgia
MARC A. VEASEY, Texas                JEFF DUNCAN, South Carolina
ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire         GARY J. PALMER, Alabama
ROBIN L. KELLY, Illinois, Vice       NEAL P. DUNN, Florida
    Chair                            JOHN R. CURTIS, Utah
NANETTE DIAZ BARRAGAN, California    DEBBIE LESKO, Arizona
A. DONALD McEACHIN, Virginia         GREG PENCE, Indiana
LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware       DAN CRENSHAW, Texas
DARREN SOTO, Florida                 JOHN JOYCE, Pennsylvania
TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona              KELLY ARMSTRONG, North Dakota
KATHLEEN M. RICE, New York
ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota
KIM SCHRIER, Washington
LORI TRAHAN, Massachusetts
LIZZIE FLETCHER, Texas
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                           Professional Staff

                   TIFFANY GUARASCIO, Staff Director
                 WAVERLY GORDON, Deputy Staff Director
                  NATE HODSON, Minority Staff Director
                         Subcommittee on Energy

                        BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois
                                 Chairman
SCOTT H. PETERS, California          FRED UPTON, Michigan
MIKE DOYLE, Pennsylvania               Ranking Member
JERRY McNERNEY, California, Vice     MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas
    Chair                            ROBERT E. LATTA, Ohio
PAUL TONKO, New York                 DAVID B. McKINLEY, West Virginia
MARC A. VEASEY, Texas                ADAM KINZINGER, Illinois
KIM SCHRIER, Washington              H. MORGAN GRIFFITH, Virginia
DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado              BILL JOHNSON, Ohio
G. K. BUTTERFIELD, North Carolina    LARRY BUCSHON, Indiana
DORIS O. MATSUI, California          TIM WALBERG, Michigan
KATHY CASTOR, Florida                JEFF DUNCAN, South Carolina
PETER WELCH, Vermont                 GARY J. PALMER, Alabama
KURT SCHRADER, Oregon                DEBBIE LESKO, Arizona
ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire         GREG PENCE, Indiana
NANETTE DIAZ BARRAGAN, California    KELLY ARMSTRONG, North Dakota
A. DONALD McEACHIN, Virginia         CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, Washington 
LISA BLUNT ROCHESTER, Delaware           (ex officio)
TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona
FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey (ex 
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                             C O N T E N T S

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Hon. Bobby L. Rush, a Representative in Congress from the State 
  of Illinois, opening statement.................................     2
    Prepared statement...........................................     4
Hon. Fred Upton, a Representative in Congress from the State of 
  Michigan, opening statement....................................     5
    Prepared statement...........................................     7
Hon. Frank Pallone, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the 
  State of New Jersey, opening statement.........................    10
    Prepared statement...........................................    12
Hon. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, a Representative in Congress from 
  the State of Washington, opening statement.....................    14
    Prepared statement...........................................    16

                               Witnesses

Jennifer M. Granholm, Secretary, U.S. Department of Energy.......    19
    Prepared statement...........................................    21
Answer to submitted questions \1\

                           Submitted Material

Letter of March 2, 2022, to Ms. Granholm, from Mrs. McMorris 
  Rodgers and Mr. Upton, submitted by Mr. Rush...................    93
Letter of March 21, 2022, to Mrs. McMorris Rodgers, from Ms. 
  Granholm, submitted by Mr. Rush................................    96
Letter of April 27, 2022, to Ms. Granholm, from Mrs. McMorris 
  Rodgers and Mr. Upton, submitted by Mr. Rush...................    98
Article of April 27, 2022, ``Europe decries `blackmail' as Russia 
  cuts gas to Poland Bulgaria,'' by Tsvetelia Tsolova and Anna 
  Koper, Reuters, submitted by Mr. Rush..........................   101
Article of February 25, 2022, ``EXCLUSIVE China boosts oil 
  reserves ignoring US push for global release,'' by Chen Aizhu 
  and Dmitry Zhdannikov, Reuters.................................   106
Article of April 5, 2022, ``Asian refiners hope US SPR release 
  leads to more crude exports lower global spot premiums,'' 
  SPGlobal, submitted by Mr. Rush................................   109
Article of April 26, 2022, ``Russia to halt gas shipments to 
  Poland,'' PoliticoPro, submitted by Mr. Rush...................   113
Letter of April 8, 2022, to Ms. Granholm, from Joe Manchin III, 
  Chairman, Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, et al., 
  submitted by Mr. Rush..........................................   115
Article of April 26, 2022, ``Industry Grows Increasingly 
  Concerned Over EPA Plans For Natural Gas,'' InsideEPA.com, 
  submitted by Mr. Rush..........................................   117

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  available at https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF03/20220428/
  114649/HHRG-117-IF03-Wstate-GranholmJ-20220428-SD001.pdf.

 
             HEARING ON ``THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 DOE BUDGET''

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                        THURSDAY, APRIL 28, 2022

                  House of Representatives,
                            Subcommittee on Energy,
                          Committee on Energy and Commerce,
                                                    Washington, DC.
    The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:06 a.m., in 
the John D. Dingell Room, 2123 Rayburn House Office Building, 
and remotely via Cisco Webex online video conferencing, Hon. 
Bobby Rush (chairman of the subcommittee), presiding.
    Members present: Representatives Rush, Peters, Doyle, 
McNerney, Tonko, Schrier, DeGette, Matsui, Castor, Welch, 
Schrader, Kuster, Barragan , McEachin, Blunt Rochester, 
O'Halleran, Pallone (ex officio); Upton (subcommittee ranking 
member), Burgess, Latta, McKinley, Griffith, Johnson, Bucshon, 
Walberg, Duncan, Palmer, Lesko, Pence, Armstrong, and Rodgers 
(ex officio).
    Also present: Representatives Dingell, Ruiz; Joyce, Carter, 
and Crenshaw.
    Staff present: Waverly Gordon, Deputy Staff Director and 
General Counsel; Tiffany Guarascio, Staff Director; Perry 
Hamilton, Clerk; Zach Kahan, Deputy Director Outreach and 
Member Service; Rick Kessler, Senior Advisor and Staff 
Director, Energy and Environment; Mackenzie Kuhl, Press 
Assistant; Elysa Montfort, Press Secretary; Tyler O'Connor, 
Energy Counsel; Lino Pena-Martinez, Policy Analyst; Kaitlyn 
Peel, Digital Director; Kris Pittard, Policy Coordinator; Kylea 
Rogers, Staff Assistant; Medha Surampudy, Professional Staff 
Member; Caroline Wood, Staff Assistant; Tuley Wright, Senior 
Energy and Environment Policy Advisor; Sarah Burke, Minority 
Deputy Staff Director; William Clutterbuck, Minority Staff 
Assistant/Policy Analyst; Peter Kielty, Minority General 
Counsel; Emily King, Minority Member Services Director; Mary 
Martin, Minority Chief Counsel, Energy and Environment; Brandon 
Mooney, Minority Deputy Chief Counsel for Energy; Peter 
Spencer, Minority Senior Professional Staff Member, Energy; and 
Michael Taggart, Minority Policy Director.
    Mr. Rush. The Subcommittee on Energy will now come to 
order. Today, the subcommittee is holding a hearing entitled 
``The Fiscal Year 2023 DOE Budget.'' Due to the COVID-19 public 
health emergency, members can participate in today's hearing 
either in person or remotely via online video conferencing. In 
accordance with the updated guidance issued by the attending 
physician, members, staff, and members of the press present in 
the hearing room are not required to wear a mask.
    For members participating remotely, your microphones will 
be set on mute for the purpose of eliminating inadvertent 
background noise. Members participating remotely would need to 
unmute your microphone each time you wish to speak. Please note 
that once you unmute your microphone, anything that is said in 
Webex will be heard over the loudspeaker in the committee room 
and subject to being heard by the livestream and CSPAN and 
your--members of your congressional district.
    In order to ensure that we have as much time as possible 
for questions and that each member in this subcommittee has an 
opportunity to ask questions, I will be strictly enforcing 5-
minute limits for questions, as the Secretary has a hard stop 
at 1 p.m. The Secretary has a hard stop at 1 p.m. Given that 
members are participating from different locations at today's 
hearing, all recognition of members such as for questions will 
be in order of the subcommittee seniority system.
    Documents for the record can be sent to Lino Pena-Martinez 
at the email address that we provided to staff. All documents 
will be entered into the record at the conclusion of the 
hearing. Before we continue, I want to take a moment of 
personal--to recognize our subcommittee's ranking member, my 
dear friend, Fred Upton, who recently announced that he would 
not be running for reelection. Throughout his career and 
throughout the entire time that I have served in the Congress, 
I have known Mr. Upton as a very fair person, indeed, a true 
friend, a knowledgeable person and someone who is always 
willing to help.
    He is also, in some respects, my Congressman because I own 
a log home that's located in the forest in his district. And 
he's been so many things to so many people, a thoughtful 
colleague, a pragmatic policymaker and, most importantly, 
again, my good friend. Fred, I will miss you dearly here in the 
Congress, but I'll see you at Cubs games.
    Mr. Upton. Thank you, sir.
    Mr. Rush. All right. So that said, we'll now move on to 
opening statements. The Chair recognizes himself for 5 minutes.

STATEMENT OF THE HON. BOBBY RUSH, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS 
                   FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS

    Mr. Rush. Today's subcommittee hearing is on the Department 
of Energy Fiscal Year 2023 budget request. It is my honor, my 
privilege, and my pleasure to welcome the 16th Secretary of 
Energy, the great Jennifer Granholm, to testify here before 
today's hearing and our subcommittee. Madam Secretary, it's so 
good to see you again.
    The DOE's budget request comes at a very critical time in 
the history of our Nation. The recent Russian invasion of 
Ukraine and its subsequent impact on energy markets around the 
world has shown the danger of relying on our own outdated 
energy systems in the 21st century. If we truly wish to become 
energy independent, we must dedicate ourselves to producing an 
abundance of clean energy that's made right here in our home.
    Madam Secretary, I am certainly pleased that the DOE's 
budget recognizes that fact and reflects that fact in its 
request. This budget contains a 7.4 percent increase to the 
Department's funding, strengthening the Department's core 
energy research goals while, at the same time, continuing to 
build upon last year's bipartisan infrastructure laws, 
commitment to deploying clean energy. These investments in 
vital energy program will ensure that the American people will 
have access to clean, reliable and affordable energy. The 
Department's budget also includes a heartwarming commitment 
toward--and I am delighted to see that the Department's budget 
also includes multiple commitments to the President's 20--
Justice40 initiative and energy and environmental justice.
    I believe this budget sets out a whole, yet realistic 
vision for how the Department of Energy can help unlock a 21st-
Century clean energy economy that will benefit all Americans. 
Partnered with the still vital investment that the House passed 
last fall, it would set up the Administration, to meet its 
climate commitments.
    Secretary Granholm, I am eager to hear your testimony 
today, and I want to thank you for your ongoing partnership and 
your work with this subcommittee. I look forward to continuing 
to work closely with you on these important goals and these 
important commitments.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Rush follows:]

                 Prepared Statement of Hon. Bobby Rush
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    Mr. Rush. With that said, again, it is my honor to 
recognize my good friend, the distinguished ranking member from 
the great State of Michigan--I guess it is Michigan's Day--in 
the subcommittee--Fred Upton for 5 minutes for an opening 
statement.


STATEMENT OF THE HON. FRED UPTON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS 
                   FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN

    Mr. Upton. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks for 
your very kind words. I would only say that we have had a 
wonderful relationship, you and me, going back from the time I 
was elected. But I would call you brother. You are a good man. 
Thanks. And I did bring this.
    Some of you may note that I have Coach Harbaugh coming in a 
little bit later this morning, so I brought my license plating 
for him to take a look at and do pictures for anyone that wants 
one. Sorry about Penn Staters. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I 
want to thank Secretary Granholm, too, for appearing before the 
subcommittee to provide testimony. Our relationship as a former 
Governor of Michigan goes back a long time in a very positive 
way. So I would only add, just to compliment Bobby or Chairman 
Rush that I hope we can--we can keep you here until maybe a 
little bit after one. We've got votes at 1:15 or so. So I'm 
hoping we can keep you until those votes start.
    But Mr. Chairman, I know that we are all deeply troubled by 
Russia's unprovoked attack on Ukraine. It is so terrible to 
witness Russia's committing genocide in Ukraine while Europe is 
being held hostage by the dependence on Russian oil and gas. 
And sadly, we have watched America's energy production fall 
while gasoline prices have reached record highs. Inflation is 
surging out of control. Folks are suffering, having to choose 
between putting food on the table or maybe put gas in the car. 
And, yes, Republicans have been sounding the alarm. We urged 
the President to impose crippling sanctions on Russia's energy 
industry and stop the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
    These steps are essential to cut Europe's dependence on 
Russian energy. We have also put forth legislation that would 
restore America's energy dominance in global leadership. 
America is the world's leading producer of oil and gas. That's 
no accident. And we should like it. We can produce 
significantly more energy than we do today and unleash the vast 
resources under our feet. We can also help our allies in Europe 
and Ukraine by sending shipments of American oil and LNG to 
replace Russian supplies.
    Certainly the Department of Energy has very important role 
to play. As the Secretary of Energy, your primary 
responsibility is strengthening and protecting the Nation's 
energy security and in order to maximize America's energy 
abundance, we have got to modernize our energy infrastructure, 
restart energy leases on Federal lands, build more pipelines 
and LNG export facilities and strengthen our supply chain so 
they are more resilient to shocks.
    DOE must lead by example. They should consider issuing 
waivers to streamline the permitting process for LNG export 
facilities and send the signal that our country will be a 
stable and reliable supplier of natural gas for many decades to 
come. Our European allies need more certainty to push back on 
Russia and build new import facilities and pipeline 
interconnections. Meanwhile, FERC, an independent agency within 
DOE, is needlessly postponing decisions on dozens of projects 
by adding months to the already rigorous environmental review 
process.
    Making matters worse, FERC has also injected tremendous 
uncertainty in the process by throwing out decades of 
bipartisan precedent and attempting to change natural gas 
policy in ways that contradict the Natural Gas Act. So I intend 
to use today's hearing to learn more about the steps DOE plans 
to take to encourage more American energy production and lower 
prices for consumers.
    While the Administration's talking points appear to 
recognize the need to increase American oil and gas production 
and lessen our dependence on China for critical materials, I am 
concerned by the complete lack of follow-through. The White 
House announced a goal, to increase LNG exports to Europe, but 
they provided no details on the regulatory reforms needed to 
make it a reality. The White House announced a plan to utilize 
the Defense Production Act for critical materials while EPA 
continues to make it virtually impossible to construct and 
permit any new mines in the U.S. So we need new solutions. 
America has the competitive advantage. We have the world's 
richest supply of natural resources. We have enduring spirit of 
innovation, and we have the most rigorous environmental and 
labor standards.
    On a positive note, many of us were pleased with the 
announcement that our Ambassador to Greece, Jeffrey Piatt, who 
is departing this week, is going to go to become the new 
Assistant Secretary of Energy--Assistant Secretary of State for 
Energy Resources. He's a career Ambassador under Obama to 
Ukraine, under Trump and Biden, to Greece. He well understands 
the critical need to ensure that our European allies have the 
proper energy resources to wean themselves off Russian imports.
    So important for the world as the Ukrainians need all the 
tools needed to win and prevail against Putin. So let's lead by 
example. Get the government out of the way and unleash 
America's energy abundance. With that, Mr. Chairman, my friend, 
I yield back.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Upton follows:]

                 Prepared Statement of Hon. Fred Upton
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    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the chairman of the full 
committee, Mr. Pallone, for 5 minutes for his opening 
statement.

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. FRANK PALLONE, Jr., A REPRESENTATIVE 
            IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY

    Mr. Pallone. Thank you, Chairman Rush. And I want to thank 
the Secretary for joining us this morning to discuss the 
Department of Energy's Fiscal Year 2023 budget. You are always 
so helpful in taking our calls and coming to our districts to 
do events and, you know, highlighting how Congress interplays 
with the Department. So I want to thank you for that.
    I want to start by commending President Biden's recent 
aggressive actions to address gas prices for American 
consumers, including ordering a historic oil release from DOE's 
strategic petroleum reserve. There is no question that Russia's 
invasion of Ukraine has increased gas prices around the globe, 
and big oil is taking advantage of this crisis to predatory 
outrageous profit margins. We had a hearing before the holidays 
on that with the oil companies.
    And the President responded decisively to the supply 
disruptions by releasing oil from our own strategic stocks and, 
just as critically, by convincing foreign allies to release a 
portion of their own reserves. Meanwhile, domestic oil 
production has increased significantly since President Biden 
took office while natural gas production and liquefied national 
gas exports are both at record highs. Ultimately, the best way 
to secure our energy independence and lower prices is to invest 
in renewable energy made right here in the United States. Five 
decades of fossil fuel dependency have left us relying on 
volatile commodities that are priced at the whim of global 
markets. Renewables were already the cheapest energy source, 
even before oil and gas prices skyrocketed.
    So if we truly want to lower prices and reduce our reliance 
on foreign adversaries, we must invest in renewable energy and 
domestic supply chains here in America. And I know that that's 
one of your priorities, Madam Secretary. We started the process 
of moving toward a cleaner, more secure and consumer-friendly 
energy future by enacting the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law 
this year or last year, I should say.
    And that includes $62 billion in funding that DOE will 
oversee. This transformative law will modernize our 
infrastructure to strengthen our economy for the future. The 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law not only invests in bridges and 
roads but also in building domestic supply chains and the 
critical electric infrastructure we need to transition to 
cleaner, cheaper energy.
    It also invests billions in electric vehicle charging 
stations that give consumers a real choice and a chance to save 
money by moving away from volatile oil markets. It also helps 
build our domestic renewable energy manufacturing and 
processing capacity for electric vehicles, batteries, and 
chargers so they are built right here at home rather than in 
China.
    And the Bipartisan Law also invests billions to modernize 
our electric grid so it is more resilient to ever-increasing 
extreme weather events and so we can bring more renewable 
energy to communities around the Nation. And I look forward to 
hearing how DOE plans to administer the law's many programs and 
ensure American taxpayers reap the benefits of those 
investments.
    Now, lowering energy or consumer energy bills isn't just 
about supply. Energy efficiency is a critical tool in our 
efforts to address the climate crisis and to lower energy bills 
for all Americans. But for four years, the Trump Administration 
delayed and ignored important deadlines for updating appliance 
efficiency standards that save consumers money.
    Since taking office, President Biden and Secretary Granholm 
have flipped the switch back on--I should say back on for 
energy savings. They are moving forward on efficiency 
standards, including an announcement on Tuesday of two 
lightbulb efficiency rules that will save consumers nearly $3 
billion on their annual utility bills. And these two efficiency 
rules would also cut carbon pollution by 222 million metric 
tons over the next 30 years. DOE also plays a central role in 
safeguarding our national security, especially as the Federal 
agency responsible for oversight of our nuclear weapons 
stockpile. In recent years, that obligation has grown to also 
include protecting our Nation's critical energy infrastructure 
against cyber security threats.
    Under administrations of both parties, DOE has handled that 
rule well, including leading the Federal response to the 
Colonial Pipeline cybersecurity attack last year. And there is 
bipartisan agreement on the--agreement on this committee that 
we must continue to empower the DOE and its Office of 
Cybersecurity, Energy Security, and Emergency Response or 
CESER, C-E-S-E-R, to address evolving cybersecurity threats.
    So I look forward to hearing from you today about your 
cybersecurity plans and how Congress can enhance DOE's role as 
the lead agency responsible for protecting our critical energy 
infrastructure. So thank you again for joining us, Madam 
Secretary, and for all that you do on a daily basis, and I 
yield back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    [The prepared statement of Mr. Pallone follows:]

              Prepared Statement of Hon. Frank Pallone Jr.
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    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes Ms. McMorris Rodgers, the ranking 
member of the full committee, for 5 minutes for her opening 
statement.

      OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. CATHY McMORRIS RODGERS, A 
    REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF WASHINGTON

    Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Energy is 
foundational to everything that we do. As Chairman Dingell once 
said, if it moves, it's energy. If it doesn't, it's commerce. 
That is why we all love this committee. Unfortunately, because 
of President Biden's energy crisis, everything is more 
expensive: gas, food, diapers, airfare, heating our homes, 
buying a car, and much more.
    Inflation now costs Americans, on average, $5,000 more a 
year. Families across Eastern Washington have told me that they 
are paying nearly double for groceries. Gas prices are causing 
some of the greatest harm. Gas is more than four dollars a 
gallon because of this Administration's actions to undermine 
our energy independence.
    In response, my Democrat colleagues are announcing today a 
new bill unveiling a bill to give the Federal Trade Commission 
more authority to go after price gouging. The American people 
know it is not price gouging, nor is it Putin's price hike. It 
is Biden's price hike, and it started on day one when he took 
office.
    We must flip the switch--absolutely--for more domestic 
energy production. It is how we will lower costs, ensure 
reliability, and strengthen our security and geopolitical power 
too. Russia's immoral and brutal war in Ukraine and Europe's 
energy crisis is proof all that is at stake.
    Because of Russia's rush to green or Europe--Europe's rush 
to green and their reliance on Russian energy, citizens today 
are being asked to cut consumption and turn off their lights. 
Scarcity is Europe's answer. This cannot be America's future. 
Our energy abundance is how we should lead, keep the lights on, 
lower costs and fight Putin's war chest and other communist 
China activities.
    Our path cannot be to weaken American leadership by 
receding from world energy markets and shutting down our 
tremendous energy systems. Yet that is what we are seeing. This 
Administration's rush to green agenda has raised costs and 
emboldened our adversaries like Putin and the Chinese Communist 
Party. President Biden canceled Keystone on day one, but he 
greenlighted Putin's Nord Stream 2 Pipeline. His rush to green 
and electric vehicles make us reliant on China.
    He imposed a moratorium on energy development on Federal 
lands, slow-walked permits for much-needed energy 
infrastructure projects. U.S. oil production has fallen by more 
than 1.5 million barrels per day since peaking at 13 million 
barrels per day in 2020. Yesterday, Secretary Granholm said, 
``Perhaps renewable energy is the greatest peace plan this 
world will ever know.'' I cannot overState how dangerous I 
believe this statement is for our energy security, our national 
security, our future as Americans. Has this Administration 
failed to learn anything from Europe? We need a course 
reversal. President Biden must reverse his war on American 
energy. I urge my colleagues to join on an agenda to secure a 
cleaner American future. We can say yes to flipping the switch 
on domestic production of cleaner oil and natural gas. We can 
say yes to American Energy Independence from Russia Act.
    We can say yes to advance nuclear and new nuclear fuels by 
fostering new domestic markets and lifting regulations. We can 
say yes to innovation that will lead to abundant, affordable 
and clean energy. DOE was formed to advance the nuclear 
security missions of the cold war and later organized to 
confront the energy security needs created by the 1970's energy 
crisis.
    These missions still matter more than ever. But this 
Administration has strayed from them in pursuit of appeasing 
radical and ideological agendas. DOE continues to maintain the 
Nation's nuclear deterrent. It served central roles in 
international, national nuclear security and powers the nuclear 
Navy. A well-managed DOE enterprise produces amazing benefits. 
I just want to emphasize again we need to flip the switch, 
boost our energy production.
    Last year in the budget hearing, we warned about the 
consequences of this Administration's war on American energy. 
Today, we are living the reality of these consequences, rising 
gas prices, an emboldened Russia, a reliance on Chinese supply 
chains and a weakened security. The Biden Administration must 
abandon this dangerous and radical agenda.
    Secretary Granholm, your core mission is to focus on 
security, both national and economic security. It is urgent. 
Let's celebrate and utilize American energy independence, not 
shut it down. I yield back.
    [The prepared statement of Mrs. Rodgers follows:]

           Prepared Statement of Hon. Cathy McMorris Rodgers
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    Mr. Rush. Members--that pursuant to committee rules, all 
members, your opening statements shall be made part of the 
record. And here now, I'd like to welcome our witness for 
today's hearing, the Hon. Jennifer M. Granholm, the Secretary 
of the United States Department of Energy.
    Madam Secretary, again, thank you for joining us today. We 
look forward to your testimony. At this time, the Chair will 
recognize the witness for 5 minutes to provide opening 
statements. But before we begin, I would like to explain, once 
again, Madam Secretary, the lighting system that's in front of 
you. It is a series of lights. The light will initially be 
green.
    The light will turn yellow when you have one minute 
remaining. Please begin to wrap up your testimony at that 
point. The light will turn red when your time expires. Madam 
Secretary, you are now recognized for 5 minutes.

           STATEMENT OF THE HON. JENNIFER M. GRANHOLM

    Secretary Granholm. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and to Ranking 
Member Upton and Chairman Pallone and Ranking Member McMorris 
Rodgers and to members of the committee. It is really an honor 
to appear before you in person today to discuss the President's 
2023 budget request for the Department of Energy. I am very 
grateful for the support that you have given to our Department, 
including through the 2022 omnibus legislation. I applaud your 
work to ensure secure and reliable and clean and affordable 
energy for all Americans. It is an effort that I am proud to 
play a part of as the 16th Secretary of Energy.
    Under the Biden Administration, the Department of Energy is 
committed to increasing energy security, energy affordability 
and energy resilience. We are committed to securing the clean 
energy supply chains needed to reduce our reliance on unabated 
fossil fuels and increase our energy independence. And we are 
committed to enhancing America's competitiveness by 
accelerating scientific discovery and innovation. These 
commitments are reflected in our budget. And a look around the 
world shows that this is the right focus with the right 
priorities for this moment in history. Right now, we do face a 
trio of crises. We face climate change. We face COVID-19's 
effect on supply chains and, most urgently, we face Russia's 
invasion of Ukraine. The first of those crises, climate change, 
cost the United States $148 billion last year alone in dealing 
with extreme weather events.
    The second two crises are costing American families right 
now as they see prices rising from gas stations to grocery 
stores. Let me be clear. The Department of Energy is using 
every tool available to increase oil supply. And that is why 
last month, President Biden authorized the release of one 
million barrels per day from our strategic petroleum reserve 
over the next six months, 180 barrels in total, coordinating 
with international allies and partners who committed to release 
another 60 million barrels.
    I appreciate Congress's support of President Biden's ban on 
Russian energy imports. We are also working to offer relief to 
American families, including through
    three-and-a-half billion dollars for the weatherization 
assistance program provided in the bipartisan infrastructure 
law. But ultimately, these crises tell us that global energy 
security and energy independence and energy affordability all 
depend on a shift toward American-made clean energy. 
Fortunately, Congress, through the Energy Act of 2020 and the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, has invested in our ability to 
build some of these clean energy technologies here at home with 
American parts and labor. I am grateful to the members of the 
committee for the faith they have placed in our Department to 
oversee many of these investments. And the new offices and the 
ambitious clean energy goals that come with them.
    We are hard at work implementing the same legislation. Most 
recently, for example, the Department of Energy began accepting 
applications for the $6 billion civilian nuclear credit program 
to keep existing nuclear energy online and to maintain this 
reliable, secure source of clean baseload power. The $62 
billion investment from the infrastructure law is an historic 
long-term investment in projects that will serve our Nation for 
decades.
    But it is not, on its own, sufficient to address the 
Nation's energy challenges. And that is why our request 
includes base year funding for efforts to complement the 
infrastructure law and maximize its impact to lower costs, to 
make us energy secure and to provide us with reliable baseload 
power. The request obviously also supports the Department's 
innovative capacity with our Office of Energy Efficiency and 
Renewable Energy, our Office of Science, our 17 national labs 
to maintain America's competitive edge. And it includes funding 
across a range of DOE missions that have kept our country safe 
from environmental management to nuclear security. I am proud 
of DOE's work to confront our Nation's most pressing 
challenges, and I reaffirm my commitment to lead this 
extraordinary department as we implement Congress's legislative 
actions from the Infrastructure Law, the Energy Act and those 
to come, including the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and the 
full agenda for building a better America. So thank you for the 
opportunity to be here, and I am happy to answer your 
questions.
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    Mr. Rush. I want to thank you, Madam Secretary.
    We have now concluded the opening statements, and we will 
now move to member questions. Each Member will have 5 minutes 
to ask questions of the Secretary. I will start by recognizing 
myself for 5 minutes.
    Madam Secretary, again, thanks for your appearance here 
today. I want to begin by talking a little bit about the Clean 
Energy Corps. As you know, increasing minority participation in 
the energy industry has been my top priority as chairman of 
this subcommittee. I believe that if it is done right, the 
Clean Energy Corps could represent a once-in-a-lifetime chance 
to supercharge the participation of those who have been 
traditionally excluded from the energy sector.
    Could you detail what steps the Department is taking to 
ensure that 1,000 new employees that will make up the Clean 
Energy Corps--that they come from diverse backgrounds of all 
across our Nation, every sector of our nation?
    Secretary Granholm. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is really 
important to us that those who implement the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law look like America. And the Clean Energy 
Corps, the 1,000 employees that we are recruiting to be able to 
implement the components of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, 
must look like America. And so we are developing strategies to 
do that, first of all, with a dashboard for candidates as they 
apply to self-report the DEIA information. And we are using 
that to inform our outreach strategies to be able to ensure 
that we get a full suite of employees that look like America 
and have the skills to be able to implement the law as well.
    Part of this involves reaching out to MS--to minority-
serving institutions and HBCUs. We have partnered with our ED 
office to develop bias-informed interview process, ensuring 
that people who are reviewing candidates and resumes have gone 
through training. And we have standardized questions to make 
sure that--that are informed by that process. We have detailed 
a staffer in, for example, Lawrence Berkeley National Lab--from 
Lawrence Berkeley National Lab to support outreach to diverse 
candidates at all levels.
    We have been doing a lot of intake of resumes. Final 
selections certainly are ongoing and long-coming, but we are in 
the process of continuous improvement to ensure the excellence 
and the diversity that is necessary to build out the projects 
and the demonstration efforts in that Bipartisan Infrastructure 
Law.
    Mr. Rush. I want to thank you. My next question is along 
the same line. Underrepresented communities need to have more 
than just the standard approach of--from--that come from 
universities, but the high schools need to be included. And 
another area that's often overlooked is the contracting 
opportunities that help expand business--that do business with 
the Department of Energy, particularly in the minority 
community. How will this budget request for the Office of 
Economic Impact and Diversity aid the Department in promoting 
job opportunities at the high school and the university/college 
level but also promoting contracting opportunities for 
minorities who want to contract with the Department of Energy?
    Secretary Granholm. The budget request of 34 million for 
this effort reflects our commitment to provide historic support 
for underserved communities. Our Office of Economic Impact and 
Diversity is making sure that we are fulfilling the Justice40 
requirements and that we are looking, for example, to our labs 
to help increase our STEM workforce.
    So for example, I was in South Carolina with Representative 
Clyburn, who had recruited the HBCUs in his district and the 
minority-serving institutions in his district who work with 
Savannah River National Lab. And that program has resulted in 
making sure that we are getting students and a pipeline, 
because those HBCUs and MSIs are working with high schoolers as 
well, to be able to ensure that that pipeline starts early and 
moves through internships, paid internships at the labs. Each 
of the labs has got a strategy in this regard.
    For example, in Stanford at the SLAC Lab, they take young 
women from underserved high schools, women of--young women of 
color who are in high school who are not interested or have not 
expressed an interest in majoring in STEM in college, and they 
expose them through a summer program to STEM at the lab. And as 
a result, the vast majority of--I want to say over 90 percent 
of them actually major in a STEM field once they get into 
college.
    So that pipeline is a long pipeline. It starts in high 
school and moves beyond. And then just quickly, on the making 
sure that businesses who interact with the Department also 
reflect that Justice40 commitment and reflect the opportunity 
for small and minority-owned and women-owned businesses, our 
economic development offices also--and it's not just the 
office. Let me just be clear because these efforts have to 
penetrate throughout the Department, that we are developing and 
have developed process to ensure that we are inclusive in the 
contracting, certainly as well as the hiring.
    Mr. Rush. I yield back.
    The Chairman now recognizes Mr. Upton for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Upton. Well, again, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Secretary Granholm, welcome. As you know, all of us, both 
sides of the aisle, for sure, are deeply concerned about the 
situation in the Ukraine and Europe. A number of members, 
including myself and Chairman Pallone, traveled overseas during 
the recess, and we spoke with many European leaders, heads of 
State, legislators. They are begging for U.S. LNG exports so 
that they can wean themselves off Russian gas.
    They want to move as quick as they can, but they got to 
have our help. We know, just earlier this week, Russia cutoff 
natural gas to both Poland and Bulgaria, and they threatened to 
do the same to other countries. So I think it is--you know, I 
think we are all on board that we have got to act quickly and 
build new pipelines and LNG export facilities so that we can 
increase that gas shipment to Europe. Can you help us? Are you 
able to support waivers or permitting on some of the strict 
permitting timelines to better prepare ourselves to export LNG 
to our allies?
    Secretary Granholm. Thank you for this question. First, we 
are committed to helping our allies, clearly. And as you may 
know, I just--we--the Department of Energy just permitted two 
additional----
    Mr. Upton. Right.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Facilities yesterday.
    However----
    Mr. Upton. We should have had this hearing a month ago.
    Secretary Granholm. Well, but those won't come online 
before another few years because they are under--one is under 
construction. One hasn't even begun to be under construction. 
Be aware that we have, under permit, permitted completely 38 
billion cubic feet of liquefied natural gas that has not been 
constructed yet.
    So we have permitted. We currently export about 12 billion 
cubic feet of natural gas. We have permitted almost three times 
as much that could be ready to go but that are simply not under 
construction. Every molecule of natural gas that can be 
liquefied at a terminal is being liquefied and exported.
    Mr. Upton. So yesterday's announcement, I think--correct me 
if I'm wrong--but I think yesterday's announcement allows an 
additional .5 BCF a day for this year.
    Secretary Granholm. But those facilities are not up and 
running. That's a future----
    Mr. Upton. But I--but the goal, I thought, was to get to 
1.5 additional BCF a day.
    Secretary Granholm. Well, the goal is for--to go to Europe, 
it's 15 billion cubic meters by the end of the year. And we 
will be increasing by that amount by the end of this year. 
There are--there are other facilities that are coming online, 
again, have been permitted. But they are under construction. 
And it takes time for them to come online. But we will meet 
what we have told the European Union that we will promise by 
the end of this year. And by--and into the future, the 
President has also----
    Mr. Upton. So a little bit later this morning, I am going 
to be meeting with the Ukrainian energy minister. So we ask 
that maybe in the next couple weeks, we might be able to get a 
written plan in terms of how we are going to be able to get 
that before the end of the year or at least what the planning 
and timeline is going to look like?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. It is already happening. I mean, 
for example, the--there is a--one of the previously permanent 
facilities that just came online or is undergoing coming online 
has made its first shipments. This is, again, a new facility as 
of this year. Every other facility is exporting to the max. We 
have permitted four of six that are pending for us in addition 
to the 30 billion that are already permitted. But the remaining 
two facilities are in Mexico and have not even begun 
construction yet.
    Mr. Upton. So let me----
    Secretary Granholm. Everything that we could have permitted 
that could be exported within our boundaries has been 
permitted.
    Mr. Upton. OK. Well, that is good. I met with both Polish 
as well as Greek authorities, and I know that they are planning 
to make up for what has been cutoff from Russia. The Greeks, as 
an example--I can't remember if it is kilometers or miles, but 
they only need to do about a 100-mile segment that will connect 
from Greece to the north that can offset what is coming from 
Russia, what has been cutoff.
    And they think that they can finish that before the year is 
out, that pipeline. So that is why, you know, again, I think I 
speak for everyone that was on our trip. We were so--so 
impressed with what the new Assistant Secretary of State is 
going to do on energy. And we look forward to having further 
communication.
    Let me just ask you one quick question about Michigan 
before my time expires. Line 5. Where is the administration on 
Line 5 in allowing this line that needs to be replaced be 
replaced versus cutoff?
    Secretary Granholm. As you know, that is in the courts 
right now.
    Mr. Upton. But they are waiting to hear from you all.
    Secretary Granholm. It is in the courts, and it is the 
Department of State. And it is Canadian government that have to 
negotiate that. It is not in my jurisdiction.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman's time is up. The gentleman yields 
back.
    The Chair now recognizes the chairman of the full 
committee, Mr. Pallone, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Pallone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As you know, 
countries around the world are transitioning to clean energy, 
and we have a lot to lose if we don't move quickly to invest in 
sources that are both cleaner and cheaper than the fossil fuels 
we have used in the past. So Madam Secretary, what steps is the 
Administration taking to ensure that we are leaders in the 
clean energy supply chain and that--and what are the economic 
and national security consequences of failing to be competitive 
in this necessary industry? I will ask you to be short because 
I have two more questions to ask you.
    Secretary Granholm. Well, let me just say, as you can 
imagine, because the President has been talking about this 
nonstop, the supply chain issue is of critical importance to 
this Administration. And DOE plays a role certainly on the 
energy supply chain. We have issued--``we,'' meaning the DOE, 
as well as several other agencies, have issued 13 supply chain 
reports about the links, the missing links in the supply chains 
that we need to fill. Critical minerals is one of them, for 
example, for batteries, for electric vehicles and for 
stationary storage.
    We need to work on each one of those pieces, and the 
President has a whole-of-government approach to make sure that 
happens, including the funding that was provided for the DOE in 
the Infrastructure Law.
    Mr. Pallone. Well, thank you. Obviously, I want us to lead 
the clean energy transition to the benefit of our workers, our 
consumers, our economy. And I am hopeful that my Republican 
colleagues across the aisle will begin to recognize that we 
must invest significantly in clean energy and domestic supply 
chains now while we risk handing these opportunities over to 
China and other adversaries.
    And of course DOE, as I mentioned in my opening, these 
energy efficiency standards, like those for light bulbs, you 
announced Tuesday, are a huge win-win that will save consumers 
money and help us tackle the climate crisis. So I wanted to ask 
you to elaborate on the actions DOE has taken to address the 
backlog in updating money-saving appliance efficiency 
standards, much of that backlog caused by the Trump 
Administration.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We, the Department of Energy, 
inherited about 57 delayed standards when we came in. Our goal 
this year is to get totally caught up from that and issue about 
100 orders to make sure that we can keep appliances efficient 
for American citizens so that they don't have to pay the money 
that they would have to pay if they were using inefficient 
technology. And so we are very proud of the actions that we are 
taking. We are going to be very aggressive about trying to 
reduce costs for people.
    The LED light standards, the standards for the lightbulbs 
issued earlier this week, are an example of that, as you 
mentioned, saving taxpayers about $3 billion a year just for 
changing out to LED lightbulbs, which last between ten and 
umpteen times longer than incandescent bulbs. So we are going 
to continue to move down that to save people money.
    Mr. Pallone. I appreciate that. I look forward to, you 
know, action on these standards, especially the one that is 
long overdue, is gas furnaces. But I don't want you to talk 
about that now. But I did want to mention it. I want to get to 
cybersecurity. In March, Congress passed the Cyber Incident 
Reporting for Critical Infrastructure Act, which establishes 
mandatory cyber intrusion reporting requirements for critical 
infrastructure companies.
    DOE is the sector-specific agency responsible for energy 
cybersecurity. But the Department of Homeland Security is 
responsible for implementing the new law. And the concern or 
one of the concerns I have is that the new law gives Homeland 
Security up to 24 hours to share with DOE information it 
receives on cyber threats. That seemed like far too much time 
to me.
    I also want--think it is crucial that the reporting process 
be streamlined so companies don't have to report to multiple 
agencies. So my question is how important is it to receive 
threat information from Homeland Security in a timely manner? 
Is 24 hours too long, and do you agree that implementing the 
new law, the Federal Government needs to do everything it can 
to avoid establishing inconsistent or duplicative reporting 
requirements? And you have, like, 45 seconds to answer.
    Secretary Granholm. It is important to share information in 
real time. And that is what is happening. A lot of that is 
through technology. We have direct relationships through our 
technology and our overall relationships with the industry. We 
know what is happening. Our CESER office is in direct contact 
both with CISA as well as with the industry through our sector-
coordinating council. So we take that lead role in this 
industry, industry-coordinating sector, risk management sector 
very seriously.
    Mr. Pallone. Do you think that 24 hours is too long?
    Secretary Granholm. I don't think that it waits that long. 
I think that is--yes. I do think it is too long. I think it 
happens much more rapidly. I think it happens in real time, 
though.
    Mr. Pallone. All right. Thank you so much.
    Secretary Granholm. You bet.
    Mr. Pallone. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Rush. The chairman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the ranking member, Mrs. McMorris 
Rodgers, for 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Madam Secretary, you mentioned the drawdown on the 
strategic petroleum reserve. And it has been drawn down to 
record lows. Nearly 200 million barrels in a single year now 
has been drawn down by this administration. And I believe that 
this is reckless. It is dangerous. This is a strategic asset. 
And depleting the reserve risk our energy future. It adds to 
emboldening Russia and China.
    I wanted to ask. This latest unprecedented drawdown will 
mean that we will have about a quarter of the stockpile 
projected for 2030. And that means we will be down at 100 
million barrels in our strategic petroleum reserve. That is 
about enough--enough for a week. I would like to ask what are 
your plans to replenish the reserve.
    Secretary Granholm. We will be replenishing the reserve. 
There are plans----
    Mrs. Rodgers. What is the plan?
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. To do that.
    Mrs. Rodgers. What is the plan? congressional Democrats 
have walked attempts in the past. When gasoline prices, oil 
prices were low in 2020, attempts which would have made sense 
to replenish the reserve then were blocked.
    Secretary Granholm. No. Well, I am telling you we will be 
asking. We will be replenishing the reserve----
    Mrs. Rodgers. I am anxious to see----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Because it is important.
    Mrs. Rodgers. I am anxious to see the plan.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mrs. Rodgers. I have----
    Secretary Granholm. Happy to----
    Mrs. Rodgers. I have introduced legislation, the American 
Energy Independence from Russia Act. Would restore American 
energy leadership, and it would secure our strategic petroleum 
reserve releases. It would make sure that they are offset by 
American production. Do you support the goal of that bill?
    Secretary Granholm. I support the goal of replenishing with 
American production. Yes.
    Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you. I wanted to move to nuclear. 
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has exposed the risk of weakening 
American energy security. And it does extend beyond oil and 
gas. It includes our vulnerabilities in the nuclear sector. We 
are leading an exciting nuclear technology, advanced nuclear 
technology, in the United States. However, we do not have the 
uranium that we need.
    Yesterday, Republican Leader Upton and I wrote you for a 
more detailed information on your work to accelerate domestic 
nuclear fuel resources. And do you agree that the Russian 
invasion increased urgency to develop domestic nuclear fuels?
    Secretary Granholm. I do. I do, and I look forward to 
briefing you both or whoever wants to be briefed on the plan, 
which we are finalizing within the next couple of weeks.
    Mrs. Rodgers. Well, it feels like, at times, the 
Administration is speaking--the left hand doesn't know what the 
right hand is doing because when it comes to critical minerals, 
we have had this administration shut down mines, shut down a 
mine in Minnesota, shut down a mine in Arizona, at the same 
time that we are in an urgent place for the Administration to 
act. We continue to talk about energy prices soaring. I am 
concerned about blackouts because of this Administration's 
harmful energy policies. You started by focusing on clean, 
renewable, reliable, and affordable energy, secure. I agree.
    In my home State of Washington, the four Lower Snake River 
Dams generate approximately 1,000 megawatts of power, on 
average, annually. They have the capacity of 3,000 megawatts of 
power. This provides Bonneville Power Administration with the 
capability to meet peak energy demand loads at affordable 
prices. Would you agree that these dams provide grid 
reliability and reduce the chance of blackouts with the 
increase of weather-dependent wind and solar generation in the 
Northwest?
    Secretary Granholm. I will say that I definitely agree that 
hydroelectric power is a critical component of our clean energy 
future. I agree that we have got to make as many dams as is 
environmentally sane, available, and hopefully, through the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, be able to invest in additional 
creation of dams, removal of the ones that don't work, 
restoration, etc., like the Dam Good Bill that many of you 
supported or are supporting also calls for.
    Mrs. Rodgers. Only three percent of the dams in the United 
States actually produce electricity. There is huge potential. 
Would you agree that dams also help reduce carbon emissions?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mrs. Rodgers. Thank you. OK. The Hanford site is adjacent 
to my district. I just wanted to ask--well, maybe I will just--
I will ask this. I will ask the questions on Hanford in 
writing. I wanted to ask if you would commit to a written plan 
on the strategic petroleum reserve in your plans----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mrs. Rodgers [continuing]. To replenish. That would be 
great.
    Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes Mr. Doyle--Mr. Peters for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Peters. I RSVP'd remote. That is why I am out of order 
down here, sir.
    So thank you so much for being here, Secretary Granholm, 
for speaking with us. And I am really grateful for DOE's 
climate leadership and clean energy commitments. You are 
invested in scaling carbon-removal technologies, in rapidly 
building interState transmission lines and recent successes 
that the loans program office are helping us develop a clean 
energy economy.
    And I am also encouraged by your focus on sustainable 
aviation fuels and specifically algae biofuels. And I look 
forward to continuing to partner with you and expanding next-
generation clean technologies and addressing the climate 
crisis. But today, I want to talk about a less positive 
development. And that is the threat to the United States solar 
industry by the consideration of imposing tariffs on solar 
panels.
    This case could cost us 100,000 American solar jobs and 
jeopardize our common clean energy goals. Already, 318 projects 
are being canceled or delayed. And if the Administration 
decides to impose tariffs, it could cause solar capacity to 
fall 75 gigawatts short of the pace needed to reach the 
President's solar goal. Tariffs can also affect reliability. In 
California, we are using energy storage to help provide grid 
reliability and the avoidance of blackouts. But these projects 
are often solar combined with storage projects. So if you can't 
get the panels, you can't build the storage.
    So Madam Secretary, in September 2021, DOE released the 
Solar Future Study which argued that the U.S. must install an 
average of 30 gigawatts of solar capacity per year between now 
and 2025 to reach the President's goal of having solar power 40 
percent of the Nation's electricity by 2035.
    Yesterday, the Solar Energy Industries Association said 
that solar installation forecasts for 2022 and 2023 are being 
cut by 46 percent due to consideration of tariffs. So instead 
of doubling our solar deployment, we are cutting it in half. Is 
the Department of Energy researching how this potential loss in 
solar deployment could affect energy reliability and our 
climate goals and planning what steps the Administration needs 
to take to offset the solar project losses if they decide to 
impose tariffs?
    Secretary Granholm. Share your deep concern about this. As 
you know, the decision is an adjudicative decision that rests 
with the Department of Commerce. The Administration--I know the 
climate office also shares the deep concern about the potential 
inability to complete and deliver on the President's goals of 
getting to 100 percent clean electricity by 2035. So yes. It is 
safe to say that there is an awful lot of effort around how to 
address this given that it is an adjudicative proceeding.
    Mr. Peters. Well, I feel like you are in a very difficult 
position. I understand the situation. I would also just note 
that, as we sit here, we sit here in the room that makes the 
laws. We have got paperwork that is in the way of policy now. 
And so, you know, I really think we have to look at how we 
shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing this kind of stuff to 
happen. This is the tail wagging the dog.
    And I am fully supporting, by the way, of expanding 
domestic manufacturing of solar panels and components. And it 
is encouraging to see the solar industry's target of 
manufacturing 50 gigawatts of domestic production annually by 
2030. But even if we are to pass the necessary incentives to 
expand solar manufacturing in the U.S. and offset imports from 
other nations, it is going to take us five to ten years to 
scale up.
    So investing in domestic manufacturing in the long-run 
cannot be an excuse to stop solar deployment in the short-term. 
So Madam Secretary, can you tell us more about DOE's efforts to 
expand domestic manufacturing of solar components and whether 
there is any way to get around this long lead time for scaling 
up?
    Secretary Granholm. Well, we clearly have to accelerate. 
There is no doubt about it. One of the components of the budget 
is a solar manufacturing accelerator that we are asking you to 
approve. And this would help to achieve what the manufacturing 
processes are that can be accelerated in the solar realm in 
addition to the additional research that is necessary on 
advanced components.
    So whether it is the use of technology, the use of 
integrated systems, the bottom line is we have to accelerate. 
Clearly, the congressional action on getting the Solar Energy 
Manufacturing Act passed would be a tremendous assist because 
we want the private sector engaged on this, and we want to 
build out that full supply chain.
    But in the meantime, we recognize that we also have to make 
sure that we are not--that we are not slowing down our efforts, 
but we are also not--and I think you would probably agree--not 
installing panels that are circumventing or that are 
potentially built with labor from--you know, that--from the 
solar industry in Xinjiang, etc. So both sides of those----
    Mr. Peters. I would just say I think, you know, we face--we 
call it an existential crisis. We need to act like it is an 
existential crisis.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Peters. And I think the notion that we have these 
laws--I imagine maybe Secretary Raimondo is equally concerned. 
Imagine we have set up these laws that shoot us in the foot 
this way and put our plan at risk is of great concern to me. 
And I just wanted to let the Administration know that.
    Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My time has----
    Secretary Granholm. Thank you.
    Mr. Peters [continuing]. Expired.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes Dr. Burgess for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Burgess. Thank you, Chairman Rush.
    Welcome, Madam Secretary, to our--our humble subcommittee. 
Listening to your discussion with Mr. Peters, I just went to a 
groundbreaking in my district at Alliance--Alliance Airport 
Corridor for a battery manufacturing--or I'm sorry--a mica 
manufacturing plant that is being built that is going to be 
pretty rapid turnaround. I was impressed. They talk about being 
in production in a little over a year's time, which is truly 
phenomenal given that they were just moving the first dirt. But 
it is that type of commitment that is necessary.
    And just as I was--wasn't really the purpose of my being 
there but the concept of available real eState, a State that 
is--has a favorable tax profile and the corporation around 
Alliance, Texas that is willing to--I mean, in fact, Ross 
Perot, Jr., has challenged companies that want to move there. 
Say I challenge you to outgrow us because we will keep up with 
you.
    And it is that kind of can-do spirit that really is 
absolutely what is going to be required. Now, I would encourage 
your comments to Ranking Member Upton on the--on the waivers 
for liquefied natural gas. And your statement we want to get 
every molecule into commerce, you know, we have a problem in 
Texas in the Permian Basin. There is more natural gas than can 
be used on an average day.
    So procedures such as venting and flaring, which, I think 
we both agree are undesirable, have happened. The way to 
prevent venting and flaring is to get it into commerce. But if 
that does require the ability to get, as you said, every 
molecule of gas down to Freeport, Texas where it can be frozen 
and sent overseas. So what do you see as the future for that?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. I know that the--obviously the 
permitting of this and the EPA, etc., are all part of this 
conversation. We do not want to see flaring. We don't want to 
see methane exposure. I am glad you agree on that as well. I 
think a lot of the industry agrees and has--is enthusiastic 
about the technology associated with preventing methane leaks. 
But of course, you have got to be able to take it, associated 
gas somewhere. So there is no doubt that this particular issue 
is one the Administration is focused on because we have to both 
be efficient about the use of natural gas as well as prevent 
methane flaring.
    Mr. Burgess. Sure.
    Secretary Granholm. So both need to happen.
    Mr. Burgess. So both your office and President Biden have 
called on oil companies to step up the drilling, step up 
domestic production. Obviously, you do that in the Permian 
Basin. And this stranded gas phenomenon is going to become a 
more pressing issue. So I guess I would just ask the question. 
Do you stand by those statements, view the President made to 
ramp up energy production domestically?
    Secretary Granholm. Absolutely.
    Mr. Burgess. So will you commit to enforcing policies that 
make it easier for these companies to do as you and the 
President have requested?
    Secretary Granholm. We want to make sure that we have no 
methane leaks and that we increase our oil and gas production 
at this moment. At the same time, as I will say--and I think 
the oil and gas companies agree with this. It is important to 
transition to clean energy as well. And many of them becoming 
more diversified energy companies see this as an opportunity 
for themselves as well. So both, I think----
    Mr. Burgess. To be----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Need to happen.
    Mr. Burgess [continuing]. Sure. But I think we have all 
seen the danger of too rapid a transition, the sudden spike in 
energy prices coupled with the inflationary pressures that were 
out there really damaged American families in a very 
significant way. We should be mindful of that as well because 
it does affect people.
    Secretary Granholm. Well, I will say the inflationary 
issues right now are not as a result of clean energy. They are 
as a result of the supply chain crunch coming out of COVID, the 
fact that----
    Mr. Burgess. Yes.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Almost----
    Mr. Burgess. Yes. But we--right. Well, let's not get----
    Secretary Granholm. OK.
    Mr. Burgess. That is too long a discussion, the 
inflationary pressures because of the American Rescue Plan. But 
we will deal with that another day. So let me just ask you a 
question about the Federal Regulatory Electric Commission. I 
think I asked you a question last time when we were all on a 
Zoom call with this. I led a bipartisan letter to FERC 
requesting a decision that it provide a stable, thoughtful, 
long-lasting basis to build out our Nation's essential energy 
infrastructure. So could I ask you to commit to working with 
FERC to ensure that the regulatory certainty for the oil and 
gas industry is available during this crisis?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. And I think he's--I think the 
chairman and FERC itself have been listening and have pulled 
back a bit to be able to take into account the concerns of 
those who want to see certainty for the oil and gas industry. 
And we will be--from what I have seen, again, they are an 
independent agency. But I believe that they are very concerned 
about making sure that they are responsive to this moment as 
well.
    Mr. Burgess. I have a lot of other questions. But in the 
interest of time, I am going to submit them as questions for 
the record. I thank the chairman for his indulgence.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the retired member from 
Pennsylvania, my good friend, Mr. Doyle.
    Mr. Doyle. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and Ranking 
Member Upton for holding this hearing.
    And thank you, Secretary Granholm, for joining us. I have 
been very pleased with the direction that you are taking the 
Department of Energy, and I look forward to getting you up to 
Pittsburgh so that you can see all the innovative work that is 
going on in that region. Let me ask you a question. If we are 
to lead the world in EV manufacturing and in deploying 
renewable energy resources, we are going to need a robust 
domestic battery supply chain.
    So that is why I was proud to author and work with a number 
of colleagues on this committee, to include battery 
manufacturing grants in the Infrastructure Bill. I am glad that 
the Department is moving quickly to deploy this funding that my 
office is hearing some concern from industry that the 
Department is focusing too heavily on lithium batteries and not 
leaving much room for alternative technologies like zinc 
batteries being built in my district by EOS Energy. I want to 
ask you do you agree that DOE should be supporting all types of 
battery deployment, and how do you intend to ensure a level 
playing field for non-lithium batteries as you deploy the 
infrastructure funding.
    Secretary Granholm. We are very bullish on technology all 
around, and we want to make sure that we are not prioritizing 
one technology over another. We know that lithium obviously has 
been one of choice from a majority of automakers, at least in 
the electric vehicle supply chain. However, we are interested 
in technology related to energy storage overall. You'll see we 
have done requests for information on the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law, battery components, $7 billion in two 
chunks.
    We will be issuing a funding opportunity announcement very 
shortly on that as a followup. We have taken in the input from 
industry, and we will be issuing a funding opportunity 
announcement. And you will see that we are very eager to get 
technologies that allow for us to move forward on electric 
vehicles and the best technologies.
    Mr. Doyle. Yes. I would just add the zinc battery 
technology is much better for long-duration storage, being used 
by--being used by a lot of utilities.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Doyle. And we know that is important too if we are 
going to get more renewables on the grid. So I hope that we 
have a level playing field there. I am also pleased to see the 
efforts you are taking to make and roll out these hydrogen 
hubs. Is DOE taking a regional approach so that places like 
Southwestern Pennsylvania and West Virginia could combine their 
strengths, or are you taking a more targeted approach?
    In Southwestern Pennsylvania, we have lots of production 
capability, storage capacity and industrial end users. So what 
do you see as the most important building blocks for getting a 
hub set up?
    Secretary Granholm. We are not biasing any particular 
strategy. We want the best proposals to come in. We will be 
issuing those funding opportunity announcements later. It is--
every region of the country has risen--raised their hand and 
said we want to be a part. Some in the--inside of a community, 
some inside of a State, some inside of a region. And we are 
not--what we are saying is we want a solid proposal that is 
holistic, that takes into account the regional considerations, 
particularly communities that have been left behind, that it 
has a workforce development strategy related to hydrogen.
    Some of the hydrogen hubs will be associated with natural 
gas, and we would like to see zero carbon-emitting projects. So 
that would--might be coupled with carbon capture and 
sequestration and methane, of course, abatement on the front 
end. Some of it will be with nuclear. Some of it will be with 
clean renewable energy. So we are not biasing. We want to see a 
variety of proposals and we wanted the best proposals.
    Mr. Doyle. Thank you. Decarbonizing heavy industry and 
transportation is a difficult challenge. How important is it 
for Congress to support direct efforts to help the Department 
of Energy and private industry find new innovative technologies 
and deploy them?
    Secretary Granholm. It is extremely important. It is 
extremely important, which is why we are grateful for 
Congress's support of the labs, for those technologies, for 
potentially considering this Bipartisan Innovation Act, which 
would be more funding for advanced technologies, some of which 
would come to the Department of Energy. But if--we cannot cut 
technology investment, even as we also do the spectrum from 
research to deployment to--you know, research to deployment and 
the spectrum in between of development and all of the--the 
entire spectrum is important.
    Mr. Doyle. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman, I yield you 
back three seconds.
    Mr. Rush. The Chairman certainly thanks the gentleman for 
yielding back. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from 
Ohio, Mr. Latta, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Latta. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and 
thank you, Madam Secretary, for being with us today. Madam 
Secretary, January of this year, you tweeted, quote, nuclear 
energy is clean energy, and it is vital to creating good-paying 
jobs, supporting our energy transition, and saving our planet, 
unquote. You said something similar last year when you were in 
Glasgow. At that time, you stated, quote, the U.S. views 
nuclear energy as a pivotal technology in the global effort to 
lower emissions, expand economic opportunity, and ultimately 
combat climate change, unquote. I agree with you on the 
importance of nuclear energy. However, I was disappointed to 
see that these broad statements of support were not followed up 
with action. In particular, given these statements, I was 
surprised to see that President Biden's budget proposal for 
Fiscal Year 2023 failed to provide any funding for the 
Department's Uranium Reserve Program. This program is designed 
to strengthen the United States national security and restore 
its competitive advantage in nuclear energy by securing our 
nuclear fuel supply chain.
    Congress previously appropriated 75 million for DOE. They 
implement this reserve, and yet we have heard that the 
Department has not utilized it. This issue has taken on greater 
urgency given the unprovoked Russian invasion of Ukraine. The 
United States is too reliant on uranium and fuels imported from 
Russia and its allies, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. I believe it 
is essential for the United States not to be reliant on--and on 
an isolated, repressive and unpredictable Russian regime for 
critical reserves like mined, enriched and converted uranium.
    Question: Wouldn't you agree that it is better for the 
United States both from an economic and security perspective to 
obtain uranium right here in the United States and from our 
steadfast Western allies?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Latta. We ask this. Given your comments about the 
importance of nuclear energy and the need to create jobs here 
in the United States, why didn't DOE request funding for the 
Uranium Reserve Program for the second Fiscal Year in a row?
    Secretary Granholm. Because you gave it to us last year, 
and we are issuing a funding opportunity announcement in June 
for a uranium reserve. So we carried that over for that 
purpose. So that 75 million is still there.
    Mr. Latta. OK. So that--yes, that will be out in June. You 
said that--that's going to come out?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Latta. All right. Would you also commit to working with 
me to help the United States reduce our reliance on Russian 
uranium, invest in American nuclear leadership, including 
through legislation like my H.R. 7403, which is the NO RUSSIA 
Act?
    Secretary Granholm. I'm not familiar with that, but I 
definitely would work with you on that. I would very much like 
to see us develop our own resources here.
    Mr. Latta. Thank you. On another separate--separate 
subject, as Americans continue to grapple with high energy 
costs, we should be avoiding any actions that restrict the flow 
of energy products across our country. Energy restrictions 
could result in even greater costs to consumers. And following 
up with the ranking Republican, Mr. Upton's questions on Line 
5, let me ask this. You know, Line 5 is a absolutely crucial 
energy artery in the Midwest. Will you commit to ensuring it 
remains in operation given the fact it has been deemed as safe 
and secure?
    Secretary Granholm. You know, again, this is not in the 
Department of Energy's purview. It is in court, and it lies 
with the State Department and Canada.
    Mr. Latta. Is the Department of Energy working with the 
Department of State to tell them exactly what--because you've 
got the expertise on it, what the--how important this line is?
    Secretary Granholm. The State Department has expertise as 
well, as was identified by Mr. Upton earlier. They have got a 
lot of people, and they know this very well.
    Mr. Latta. Well, let me followup. Does the Department of 
State know that--how reliant Ohio and Michigan are, especially 
Northwest and Southeast and especially Upper Peninsula are on 
Line 5? And it is a $5 billion economic impact that it has on 
our economy and our region?
    Secretary Granholm. I suspect they know.
    Mr. Latta. I beg your pardon?
    Secretary Granholm. I suspect they know.
    Mr. Latta. But the Department of Energy, in your opinion, 
is not relaying that information to them?
    Secretary Granholm. Well, I mean, the Department of State 
is well aware of the economic issues related to the Upper 
Midwest and our relationship to Canada and the desire of 
Enbridge to get this line done. But again, it is in the courts. 
It is not----
    Mr. Latta. OK. Well, let me--let me ask this question 
because, having been the former chief executive of that of your 
State, would you say that Line 5 plays a massive economic 
impact on the State of Michigan?
    Secretary Granholm. I am not going to----
    Mr. Latta. I beg your pardon?
    Secretary Granholm. I am not going to respond to that one 
because, again----
    Mr. Latta. You are not going to respond to that----
    Secretary Granholm. No.
    Mr. Latta [continuing]. Question.
    Secretary Granholm. I am not going to get into that because 
it is in court.
    Mr. Latta. Well, I tell you when I talk to people in the 
State of Michigan, in the State of Ohio, they say it does have 
a major economic impact. But you are not going to respond to 
it?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. It is just--again, I am not going 
to get----
    Mr. Latta. I find----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Ahead of the Governor----
    Mr. Latta. I find that----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. In Michigan----
    Mr. Latta. I find it unbelievable.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Or the Administration.
    Mr. Latta. And Mr. Chairman, I will submit my other 
questions to the record since my time has expired, and I yield 
back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman with the bow tie, 
the gentleman from California, Mr. McNerney, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. McNerney. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Someone has to set 
standards around here, so appreciate the acknowledgment.
    And I appreciate you coming and testifying to us today, 
Madam Secretary. And I am going to ask a question similar to 
what Mr. Pallone asked earlier. Over the past few years, we 
have seen increasing threats to the grid from natural hazards, 
wildfires and hurricanes that are climate-related, from cyber 
attacks and even from kinetic attacks. Given these increased 
threats, how does the Department's CESER office, reorganization 
and budget request, reflect a renewed attention on grid 
security?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. There is an increase in there for 
CESER, about nine percent, just slightly short of that. CESER 
is fundamental to us and to the entire country in making sure 
that we are integrated both on technology but also with the 
private sector and the utilities to ensure that we are aware of 
every single action that is happening out on the wires across 
the country.
    We are in a shields-up posture right now. And that means 
that industry is on high alert, especially in light of what is 
happening overseas. And the technology that CESER has worked 
with industry to deploy allows us to have some real-time 
information if there is some kind of cyber attack on the grid, 
for example, but also making sure that we are distributing and 
giving best practices, technology, training, etc. on cyber 
attacks but also on anything that makes the grid unreliable. 
And that includes extreme weather events.
    Mr. McNerney. Thank you. Madam Secretary, I have worked for 
years on the intersection of energy and water issues. So I was 
reassured to see the energy-water nexus crosscut line listed as 
one of the priority crosscuts in the proposal. This is 
particularly timely with the developing Western mega drought 
and the research at DOE to improve modeling of water resources 
and more use and reuse of water rather than just use and 
discarded water. So can you elaborate how the DOE is planning 
to prioritize this crosscut and how the program has been 
upgraded to give new directives under the Energy Act of 2020.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. Thank you so much, and really we 
are grateful for the opportunity and hopefully get approval for 
this cross--200 million in this crosscut because precisely of 
what we are seeing drought-wise across the West. One of the 
components of it that I am particularly interested in seeing is 
additional work on desalination and making sure that we have 
this massive resource of the Pacific and the Atlantic too, but 
obviously Pacific is a little more relevant.
    How do we take advantage of that and borrow some best 
practices from places that do desal in a much more aggressive 
way than we do? So there are a lot of exciting technologies 
that that water-energy nexus will cover. And hopefully we can 
get the support of this committee for it.
    Mr. McNerney. Well, regarding desal, it is energy-
intensive. And I know they are doing some great work at 
Lawrence Livermore Labs on making that better so let's----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. Exactly.
    Mr. McNerney [continuing]. Continue that effort. I am going 
to followup a question that Mr. Latta and the ranking member 
asked on uranium, which shows that there is a bipartisan push 
to do nuclear. The Energy Act of 2020 established a DOE program 
to support the available high-assay low-enriched uranium for 
use in civilian advanced nuclear research and other areas. This 
was based on legislation that I co-led. What is the status of 
the HALEU Availability Program? What is DOE's current vision 
for achieving a reliable domestic supply?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We have to have more HALEU and LEU 
as well across the board, both for advanced and for the 
existing civilian reactors and for any additional nuclear power 
that we want to bring on. We cannot be subject to supply coming 
from Russia. So we have a--we are in the final stages of 
developing a holistic strategy on a U.S. HALEU and LEU effort 
and making sure we have the sufficient supply. And as soon as 
we are--we can put the final bow on that strategy, which should 
be very soon, happy to come and brief you about it.
    Mr. McNerney. Very good. What about the discussions between 
the Office of Nuclear Energy and NNSA on efforts to down-blend 
highly enriched uranium?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes, that is--that is ongoing. There is 
a component of what is in the NNSA's purview that is being 
down-blended now, and that is certainly one strategy that we 
are pursuing as well.
    Mr. McNerney. Thank you. I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes my good friend from the great 
State of West Virginia, the man with the mustache, Mr. 
McKinley, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. McKinley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is always good to 
see you here.
    Madam Secretary, let's try to get to the point. The U.S., 
as you know, has been sanctioning Russia over its aggression in 
Ukraine. If we are not buying their gas or the oil--but we are 
buying their uranium--uranium. And that is all thanks to 
Hillary Clinton's 2010--2010 Uranium One deal that allowed 
Russia to control 20 percent of our uranium production.
    So to counter this, as you have heard the discussion, 
Congress established uranium reserve in 2010, the fall of 2010. 
But according to an article written by Senator Barrasso in the 
Wall Street Journal recently, DOE has not purchased a single 
ounce of uranium in the last year and a half. So my question 
is, is Senator Barrasso wrong?
    Secretary Granholm. No. As I was saying earlier, we are 
issuing a funding opportunity announcement in June for the 
creation of----
    Mr. McKinley. This has been----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. A strategic----
    Mr. McKinley. I just----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Petroleum reserve.
    Mr. McKinley. All respect----
    Secretary Granholm. I mean a strategic----
    Mr. McKinley. Claiming my time----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Uranium reserve.
    Mr. McKinley [continuing]. Ma'am. Madam Secretary, it has 
been a year and a half since that has happened. I thought we 
might move on that. President Biden has signed an executive 
order requiring a zero emission by 2035. But the head of global 
research at General Electric in Albany, New York, when we met 
with Paul Tonko--and I met with him--unequivocally, he said 
that such an ideologically driven goal of going to 100 percent 
renewables by 2035 will, in his words, cause the grid to 
collapse.
    Robert Bloom, a member of NERC, said the same thing. He 
said an all-renewable power grid is destined to collapse. You 
aren't talking about a blackout over a weekend or an overnight. 
But this is a long-term grid failure, possibly years. Any of us 
that understand anything about the grid would understand that 
means schools and stores would close. Hospitals would 
jeopardize. Commerce would cease. We would be virtually thrust 
back in the 1800's.
    We also know that only ten percent of PGM's grid is 
renewables. They would have to replace 90 percent of their 
power profile in that length of time. And researchers at 
Harvard said permitting put the--has put--that Biden has put in 
place, permitting process that he has put in place put 2035 out 
of reach. So streamlining permits should be a priority for the 
grid, yet the Administration has established new NEPA rules, 
NEPA rules this last week making it harder to permit grid--
pipeline--sorry--grid lines. So Madam Secretary, do you agree 
that achieving 100 percent emissions by 2035 is still 
scientifically possible?
    Secretary Granholm. With respect, it was 100 percent clean, 
meaning zero-carbon energy. And that includes nuclear, for 
example. That includes decarbonized fossil fuel.
    Mr. McKinley. My question is do you still think it is 
possible by 2035.
    Secretary Granholm. I absolutely do think it is possible.
    Mr. McKinley. Interesting. And for the material for 
batteries we have heard somewhere referenced to, in the last 3 
years, the cost of nickel has gone up 85 percent. The cost of 
lithium has gone up 670 percent. Copper is at a ten year high. 
We know from the United Nations report the Congo uses child 
labor to mine cobalt. So we are going to need to have more 
mines here in the United States to meet these demands for 
electric vehicles and grid batteries.
    The Center for Strategic and International Studies expect 
that we will see--need 500 to 1,000 percent jump in demand by 
2050. So has this Administration granted any new permits for 
mining critical materials in the United States?
    Secretary Granholm. This Administration definitely believes 
that we have to sustainably mine for the critical materials and 
minerals, including rare earth minerals----
    Mr. McKinley. Have you----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. That we have.
    Mr. McKinley [continuing]. Granted any permits? That is 
what I'm saying.
    Secretary Granholm. That is not under my jurisdiction.
    Mr. McKinley. OK.
    Secretary Granholm. I don't do the permits for those. But I 
think this is an area of bipartisan support.
    Mr. McKinley. I hope----
    Secretary Granholm. Is that----
    Mr. McKinley. I hope we have it. So Chairman, this 
committee has been known for years trying to incorporate 
science into its decisions. And I applaud that. But in the past 
year, evidence overwhelmingly suggests the Democrats are keen 
on using artificial, ideologically driven timelines, not 
reality. In fact, we are still buying uranium from our 
adversaries, setting regulatory roadblocks for our grid with 
additional requirements and counting on countries other--
foreign countries to provide us our critical minerals.
    Madam Secretary, I admit--and Mr. Chairman, I just hope 
that the United States isn't going to have to experience a 
blackout before we change this course of action. We are headed 
down the wrong road, Madam Secretary.
    Secretary Granholm. And in the 5-seconds, I respectfully 
disagree. I think we can do it all. We can mine for critical 
minerals here in a responsible way. We can build out the supply 
chains that are necessary. We can get a uranium stockpile here 
so that we have energy independence, energy security, and we 
can also build out clean energy as well. We can do all of that.
    Mr. McKinley. Thank you. I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back. The Chair now 
recognizes the chairman of the Environmental Subcommittee, the 
gentleman from New York, Mr. Tonko, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Tonko. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Secretary Granholm, 
welcome, and thank you for your leadership of a great agency. I 
know you are working hard to make certain that we have the 
personnel, the organization and the resources necessary for our 
Nation to seize the economic opportunities that will come from 
a clean energy transition. I also want to thank you 
wholeheartedly for visiting New York's capital region to 
highlight the amazing research, the workforce development and 
manufacturing jobs that are resulting from our commitment to 
offshore wind.
    Before I ask questions, I want to repeat a statement I made 
in this room just days ago. According to the nonpartisan Energy 
Information Administration, domestic oil production was only 
9.7 million barrels per day during President Biden's first full 
month in office. Since then, production has grown to 11.4 
million barrels per day. That means oil production has gone up 
almost two million barrels per day since President Biden took 
office.
    So it is patently false to say that oil production has 
decreased under President Biden. The Weatherization Assistance 
Program received significant funding in the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law. We know this program is intended for low-
income households. But sadly, many of the people who need this 
help most cannot access these funds due to their homes being in 
such poor condition. Can you discuss what the Department is 
doing to support these households through weatherization 
readiness and other ways to complement on the traditional 
Weatherization Program.
    Secretary Granholm. I am so happy that you asked this 
because I think this weatherization readiness $30 million 
request is so important, and I hope we will be able to increase 
it. Right now, there is almost--there is 39 million homes that 
are eligible for weatherization. But far fewer get weatherized, 
and far fewer of those that get weatherized--many, 40 percent, 
are turned away when they come to ask, up to 40 percent. Why? 
Because their house is moldy or their roof is insecure. So this 
weatherization prepare--preparing homes for weatherization 
allows for families who need it most to be able to access 
weatherization funds. So we are grateful for the support in 
2021, and we hope that we can achieve that in 2022 and--excuse 
me--2022 and then in 2023.
    Mr. Tonko. Awesome. The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law also 
provided significant funding for grid infrastructure, which 
will be critical to making our electricity system more 
reliable, resilient, and clean. We know there are major 
investments needed for all parts of the grid, new interState 
and interregional transmission lines, upgrading existing lines 
with grid-enhancing technologies and modernizing the 
distribution system to make it smarter and more responsive. Can 
you provide any insights on how DOE is thinking about this 
range of grid needs and how you might allocate the available 
grid funding from the IIJA?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We have created a Grid Deployment 
Office. We created it last year. We have moved it over to our 
Undersecretary for Infrastructure because grid is so important 
of an infrastructure need. We need to essentially double the 
capacity of our grid if we are going to be able to add all of 
the clean energy and energy needs, energy growth needs that we 
are going to need in the United States. That means both 
capacity increases. That means technology, making sure we have 
got the technology associated so that the grid can, in fact, 
send energy, talk to other parts. We can generate energy in one 
part of the country and deliver it where it is needed in 
another part of the country. Both the technology, the capacity, 
making sure that it is resilient to extreme weather impacts are 
all part of what this grid deployment office will take care of, 
including cyber infrastructure to ensure that we are safe from 
cyber attacks.
    Mr. Tonko. Well, those demands on our grid system become 
even more complex as we become even greater in our efforts to 
electrify other sectors. So there will be new potentially 
significant electricity demands from EV charging in locations 
that simply were not planned to have major loads in the past.
    So DOE and the national labs have amazing expertise. What 
capabilities does DOE have that may be helpful to a utility, 
State, or region that is working to assess and plan for these 
evolving EV-charging needs?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes, we have--we have proposed, again, 
another almost $20 million in the budget to help us to work 
with utilities and the labs to ensure they have the technical 
assistance to be able to do the modeling and get best-in-class 
technology to be able to move electrons along the grid. And so 
that program, which has not been in place before, would also be 
under the Grid Deployment Office to ensure that we are doing it 
right.
    Mr. Tonko. Wonderful. And earlier this month, Congressman 
Casten and I introduced a bill, the EV Grid Act, which would 
have DOE take a leading role in studying this challenge and 
assisting so that inadequate planning does not result in 
slowing down EV adoption and charging infrastructure buildout. 
So I just share that with you. And again, I thank you for your 
leadership. It has been outstanding. And with that, I yield 
back, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from the great State 
of Virginia, Mr. Griffith, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Griffith. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    As members of this committee will recall, in early 2011, 
the Department of Energy subrogated $75 million of U.S. tax 
dollars for Solyndra Solar Panels Project in violation of the 
law governing the Energy Loan Program, specifically Subrogation 
Section D3. And in the end, it cost the taxpayers more than $95 
million.
    The Energy Act of 2020 included the DOE loan program, and 
it included reforms in an effort to ensure taxpayer stewardship 
and project--and protect against repeats of what we saw with 
Solyndra under President Obama's economic stimulus program. 
This included language requiring the Treasury Secretary to 
conduct analysis on Department of Energy loans as well as 
report language requiring periodical reports to Congress 
assessing the status of projects sponsored by the Department of 
Energy.
    Secretary Granholm, has DOE worked out a memorandum of 
understanding with the Treasury Department to conduct the 
analysis required by law? Yes or no?
    Secretary Granholm. I am going to have to check with the 
LPO to see----
    Mr. Griffith. And I appreciate that. If you could get me an 
answer, I greatly appreciate it.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Griffith. Likewise, have any loan guarantees been 
denied as a result of Department of Treasury analysis? And if 
you don't know, if you could give me an answer to that as 
well----
    Secretary Granholm. All I can tell you is that there are 
three that have been approved in the recent--in recent months 
which are very exciting. But I do not have the date on what has 
been denied.
    Mr. Griffith. And can you provide us with the Department of 
Treasury's analysis on those, even if it is just a simple, ``We 
don't see any problem.'' I'd like----
    Secretary Granholm. Sure.
    Mr. Griffith [continuing]. Appreciate getting that.
    Secretary Granholm. Sure.
    Mr. Griffith. This committee issued a report in August 2012 
detailing our findings on the Department of Energy's failed 
management of the Loan Guarantee Program, which was in clear 
disservice to taxpayers' interest. You have been secretary for 
about 14 months now. Are you working with the Inspector General 
to address the issues identified during the Obama stimulus 
program in order to assure the American people that the law is 
currently being followed? And again, if you need to get it to 
me later, I understand.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. I know the new head of our Loan 
Programs Office, Jigar Shah--I don't know if you have met with 
him yet, but he has revamped the entire program. Now, I am 
assuming that he did so in consultation with the Inspector 
General report. But I cannot say that to you at this moment so 
I----
    Mr. Griffith. And I appreciate that, and if you could give 
me an answer----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Griffith [continuing]. At a later time, I would greatly 
appreciate it. Would you agree that as stewards of taxpayer 
funds, we should not be subsidizing loans where the projects 
have little to no skin in the game and are low likelihood of 
reaching full market acceptance?
    Secretary Granholm. We should be subsidizing loans that--I 
mean, the reason Loan Program Office exists is because a 
commercial bank is not going to--which are very, very risk-
reverse is not going to take it. We also should be guardians of 
the taxpayer dollars. So that balance is what the Loan Program 
Office strives to achieve. It is why the vetting process of 
loans takes a year to be able to make sure is this right. Is 
this going to pan out? Are we going to make sure that the 
taxpayer gets their money back? And so I agree it has got to be 
carefully done. But it also is set up to take on these new 
technologies that inherently are risky because they are brand-
new and haven't been done before. We fill in that Valley of 
Death in the--in the research/development/deployment spectrum. 
And that is what the Loan Program Office does.
    Mr. Griffith. So it is fair to say that you have taken 
steps to ensure that the projects you are funding are actually 
going to be deployed at some point or that you have great hopes 
that they will.
    Secretary Granholm. That is the expectation, certainly.
    Mr. Griffith. And that was one of the problems with 
Solyndra Project. It went into default in December 2010, and 
they wouldn't let go of a project that had gone bad. All right. 
That being said, let me switch gears and just say that I am a 
big proponent of parity between fossil fuel research and 
research for renewables. I have got no problem with renewables. 
But I also think there is a huge amount of technology that we 
can do.
    The Chinese are selling outdated equipment for coal-fired 
power plants to Africa. If we develop ways to burn coal, the 
world is going to burn it. You know that, and I know that 
because of India, Africa and, frankly, the baseload in the 
United States will continue to some extent. As a result, the 
cleaner that we can burn coal, the cleaner that we can use our 
fossil fuels, the more likely we are to have both an impact on 
the air quality and the ability to sell to countries in other 
parts of the world because they, too, want cleaner air. But if 
they can't get it from us, they are going to get the cheap, 
dirty stuff from our colleagues in China. That is my opinion. I 
give that to you. I look forward to working with you to resolve 
some of these issues, and I look forward to making sure that 
the Loan Guarantee Program does what it is supposed to and that 
the laws follow.
    I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes Ms. Schrier from Washington, DC. 
for 5 minutes. Ms. Schrier?
    Ms. Schrier. Thank you.
    Mr. Rush. You are----
    Ms. Schrier. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, 
Secretary Granholm, for being here today. It is so nice to see 
you again. And I first want to thank you for your efforts to 
help us remain energy-independent and help us provide resources 
to Europe to minimize their dependence on Russian oil and gas 
during this time of war. And I am very proud of our country's 
leadership and your leadership.
    I want to talk about two things today, starting with the 
program you know I am very excited about, which is Department 
of Energy's regional clean energy hubs. And funding for these 
hubs was included in the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, which 
I was proud to support. Green hydrogen is one important element 
in policies to cut carbon emissions to net zero by 2050 or 
sooner.
    And compressed hydrogen can be stored and transported 
similar to the way that oil and gas are today. And it has the 
capacity to decarbonize large energy-intensive industries like 
heavy-duty transportation and steel manufacturing which account 
for about a third of domestic carbon emissions. In Washington 
State, as you heard from my colleague, we are blessed with a 
wealth of affordable, non-emitting hydropower.
    And Washington's clean electricity provides a great 
laboratory for generating green hydrogen. In fact, Douglas 
County Public Utility District has a pilot project right now to 
harness the excess hydropower generated overnight to 
electrolyze water and store hydrogen. And Tacoma Power is the 
first utility in the Nation to introduce a special lower power 
rate for electric fuels to encourage hydrogen production.
    So we are laying the groundwork already in Washington with 
legislation in the State led by Senator Carlyle and others 
aimed at accelerating the development of renewable and green 
electrolytic hydrogen, including bills already passed to 
streamline siting and permitting. We also have a long tradition 
of strong private sector and public and private utility 
districts working together and research organizations like the 
Pacific Northwest Smart Grid Demonstration Project at PNNL and 
world-class research institutions at University of Washington 
and Washington State University.
    Our State has already committed to entirely eliminating 
fossil fuel-generated electricity by 2045 and to reach net-zero 
greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. Private industry is ready to 
go to pilot hydrogen-powered cargo ships at our ports, 
airplanes, delivery vehicles and 18-wheelers. And--in other 
words, our State is ideally suited to be a truly green hydrogen 
hub. So I wanted to know, as we are thinking about regional 
efforts and these hydrogen hubs and, you know, really a process 
that is still in development, what does success look like ten 
years from now to you, and how do you think we get there?
    Secretary Granholm. Thank you for the question. You are a 
great salesperson for your region. Of course, these hydrogen 
hubs, I have to say, are competitively bid, but we are excited 
that so many are raising their hand and really want to be part 
of it. I do think this hydrogen economy that could be created 
across the United States is an amazing opportunity for us. 
Every country is look--especially countries that don't have the 
wealth of resources that the United States has in terms of oil 
and gas and technology. They are all looking for this hydrogen 
solution to be able to have clean, dispatchable baseload power.
    So I see a hydrogen economy emerging. I think ten years 
from now, there will be thousands, if not, millions, of people 
in the United States who have the opportunity to work in or 
adjacent to hydrogen hubs. I think a hub itself is an ecosystem 
that is an opportunity for a community to remake itself using 
the energy resource that it has and for places that have an 
awful lot of hydroelectric power or ability to have solar feed 
into that to create green hydrogen--we often don't like to use 
the colors because it may be misleading but zero carbon 
hydrogen. It is a very exciting economic opportunity in 
addition to being an opportunity for energy independence and 
for the climate.
    Ms. Schrier. Thank you. I share that vision. I would just 
like to touch, finally, in my remaining seconds, just on the 
clean-up efforts at Hanford. We were going to visit together, 
and that trip--for very good reasons, were in Europe. And so I 
just look forward to continuing to engage with you and visiting 
Hanford together, and I yield back. Thank you.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes Mr. Johnson of Ohio for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Johnson. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, 
Madam Secretary, for being here today. It is good to see you 
again. I am sure you saw the news that Russia has now cutoff 
gas shipments to Poland and Bulgaria, both NATO members. So 
Vladimir Putin, a dictator, using his energy dominance as a 
weapon to try to subjugate his neighbors. Now, let's think 
about this for a minute. Put it into context. I think many of 
us don't realize that only four out of the top 15 natural gas-
producing countries in the world are liberal democracies, four 
out of 15. The world needs natural gas in increasing amounts. 
And LNG demand is skyrocketing.
    And folks, we talk a lot here about democracy versus 
autocracy. Are we satisfied to allow energy to be provided at 
the whims of the worst people on earth, or will America 
continue to be the guardian of the gate of freedom for the 
world and fuel the world with our resources and our values? 
This is the choice that we need to make. So Madam Secretary, I 
want to applaud you. It was encouraging to see DOE finally 
approve two LNG export permits yesterday, one of which sat 
there for at least 16 months, however, after FERC had approved.
    So I just want to get this straight, just to make sure. Let 
me ask you unequivocally. Do you support expanding U.S. LNG 
exports, and why does it take DOE so long to approve these 
permits?
    Secretary Granholm. The two permits that were approved 
yesterday----
    Mr. Johnson. No. Do you----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. As you know----
    Mr. Johnson. Do you----
    Secretary Granholm. We have been----
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Support----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Support----
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Expanding----
    Secretary Granholm. This is what----
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. LNG exports?
    Secretary Granholm. We have--as an----
    Mr. Johnson. That's a yes-or-no----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Administration----
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Question----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Madam Secretary.
    Secretary Granholm. Of course because that is what the 
President has done. He has----
    Mr. Johnson. No. I ask----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Made an agreement.
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. You do you support expanding----
    Secretary Granholm. Of course.
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. LNG----
    Secretary Granholm. I work for an administration that 
supports helping our allies in this time and that does not want 
to see Russia weaponize----
    Mr. Johnson. Do you support expanding LNG exports? That's a 
yes-or-no----
    Secretary Granholm. I said yes----
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Question.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. I think twice now, maybe 
three times. Yes.
    Mr. Johnson. OK. Great.
    Secretary Granholm. And that is why.
    Mr. Johnson. All right. So why does it take DOE so long?
    Secretary Granholm. What I am saying is that the two 
permits that were approved yesterday, one of the facilities is 
not even under construction.
    Mr. Johnson. OK. I am going to----
    Secretary Granholm. The second one----
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Get to that in just a second----
    Secretary Granholm. And the second one----
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Because I want to talk about 
that.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Is in the middle of 
construction, so there wasn't an urgent moment until we wanted 
to send a signal to our allies that we----
    Mr. Johnson. All right.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Are--we want to partner 
with them. I also----
    Mr. Johnson. OK.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Approved----
    Mr. Johnson. Great.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Two other ones.
    Mr. Johnson. Well, I have got legislation called the 
Unlocking Our Domestic LNG Potential Act, which would end this 
export permit bottleneck in your agency, which I would urge my 
colleagues to support. So Madam Secretary, in response to 
Russia's--in response to Russia's aggression, President Biden 
reached an agreement with the EU that said we will, quote, 
strive to ensure additional LNG volumes of at least 15 billion 
cubic meters in 2020--2022. That is this year.
    And you have just acknowledged, and I appreciate that, that 
the approved permits that came out yesterday are for new 
facilities that haven't even been built yet. So what is DOE's 
plan to help expand LNG exports now, to reach that 15 billion 
cubic meters in 2022? Given your previous public stances 
against domestic production, pipeline expansion in oil and gas 
in general, how are you going to do that without reversing 
course on some of these policies? How are we going to get more 
resources out the door if you don't change some of the 
policies?
    Secretary Granholm. No. 1, there is enough LNG facilities 
to meet the President's goal. Some are completing construction 
this year, and it will be up and running by the time. There are 
30 billion cubic feet of permitted facilities that are waiting 
to be constructed. This is not a permitting question for 
liquified natural gas. We have permitted almost three times as 
much as we currently are exporting, and they just haven't begun 
construction yet. This is not a President Biden issue, nor is 
the issue of oil.
    In fact, the Fed, the Dallas Fed, canvassed the oil and gas 
executives in March and asked them what is it that is 
preventing you from increasing production, particularly on oil? 
Ninety-four percent of them said something other than 
government policy. The No. 1 thing is Wall Street, that Wall 
Street is constricting their ability to invest and increase 
production. It is a false statement, with all due respect, to 
say that the Biden policies have caused production to go down. 
President Biden has issued more permits for oil and gas leasing 
in his first year than the Trump Administration did in their 
first year or their second year or their third year----
    Mr. Johnson. Madam Secretary----
    Secretary Granholm. They are sitting on----
    Mr. Johnson. I----
    Secretary Granholm. --9,000.
    Mr. Johnson. My time has expired. My time has expired. We 
were energy-independent under the last administration. We are 
not now----
    Secretary Granholm. And we are today.
    Mr. Johnson [continuing]. Under the Biden Administration.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman's time----
    Secretary Granholm. We are today, sir.
    Mr. Rush [continuing]. Has expired.
    The chair now recognizes the gentleman--gentlelady from 
Florida, Ms. Castor, for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Castor. Well, thank you, Chairman Rush.
    Secretary Granholm, thank you for your service to America. 
I truly appreciate everything the Biden Administration is doing 
to lower the energy bills for American families and businesses. 
And you are doing it at a time where we must cleanup the air 
that we breathe, create jobs, good-paying jobs in the energy 
sector and reduce the harmful and costly and escalating impacts 
of the climate crisis.
    And fortunately, in this committee, the Department of 
Energy has often received strong, robust bipartisan support for 
what the Department of Energy's missions are. I mean, just 
look, for example, at the Bipartisan Infrastructure and--
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. What we have provided 
to DOE and what President Biden, under his leadership, is--has 
charted the course, is true energy independence and security 
for America. Some of my favorite provisions, I am going to ask 
you about, upgrading the electric grid, transmission, 
everything that you talked about on the new technologies and 
expanding capacity.
    I want to dig into this a little bit more. Just over the 
last few months, DOE issued a new report. No, it is the 
Building a Better Grid Initiative. There is also another report 
out there that says we have the technologies to do this. Now 
with the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, you have got funding, 
but do you have all the authorities that you need from the 
Congress to be able to fully implement it to help move America 
toward energy security and independence?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. Thank you for asking that. I 
really appreciate the support that this--those on this 
committee who voted for the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law gave, 
the funding for the Grid Deployment Office that we would be 
using to shore up the grid. The ability to build out additional 
capacity of that grid as we move toward more electrification, 
hugely important. One of the pieces of that that I think is the 
most important is called an anchor credit where the government 
can take a position on the build-out of transmission to ensure 
that we can build that out so that we can have a fully robust 
grid across the country.
    There is two other little pieces that I started to mention, 
which is there is a wholesale electricity market technical 
assistance grant that is embedded in the budget this time, 
which, again, is to help build out a, for example, regional--
RTOs. We want to make sure that we have got a bulk power system 
that talks to one another. And in the West, there--we don't 
have that, for example, and so building out the connectivity 
between the ISOs and the RTOs and each other is important.
    And places where we don't have that ability is going to be 
a piece of it. And then the interregional offshore and offshore 
planning for a grid, particularly along the Atlantic seaboard 
right now, because that is most imminent, that too is part of 
what the Grid Deployment Office will be doing. So all of those 
pieces will be under the umbrella of this Grid Deployment 
Office, and thank you so much for the support and the interest 
in making sure we have a secure and effective grid.
    Ms. Castor. Because we have to do it all. And this--you 
really have such an important charge here to work with states 
and utilities and those RTOs to improve the grid, make it more 
resilient, make sure we bring those lower-cost, abundant, 
affordable renewables onto the grid. But we also have to build 
from the ground up. And there is such enormous interest in 
community solar and weatherization. And now we have some of 
those funds available. You have already talked about 
weatherization, putting money back into the pockets of our 
neighbors back home, just in the--in Florida through insulation 
so we can save on air conditioning bills and then more 
efficient appliances.
    But community solar, all the small business owners, 
everyone that is able to lower their electric bill and then, 
after a hurricane or some other extreme event, you know, they 
can come onto the--they can plug back in and enjoy a cooler 
home or a heated home much faster. So tell us what does the 
future hold. What are you doing to really engage communities, 
front-line communities, to make sure that the resources get to 
the folks who could really use the community solar resources 
right----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We have a goal of getting 5 
million homes connected with community solar. We want to do 
that quickly. It is the way for communities that maybe don't 
have roofs or don't own the places where they live to be able 
to tap into the cheapest form of electricity in most places in 
this country, which is solar. I would like to see more of that 
in Florida too.
    Ms. Castor. Wouldn't that be great in the sunshine State.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Ms. Castor. Which, right now, the Sunshine State, they are 
looking at huge increases in cost because we are 75 percent 
reliant on electricity from natural gas and not the power of 
the sun. Thank you very much. I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Indiana, Mr. 
Bucshon, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Bucshon. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Thank you, Secretary Granholm, for being here. Today, 
Americans across the country are paying extraordinarily high 
prices at the gas pump. That is not a revelation. We all know 
that. In my home State of Indiana, regular gasoline costs over 
one dollar more per gallon in the last year. And diesel costs 
more than $1.80 more per gallon than last year, dramatic 
increase. Unfortunately, rather than unleashing American 
energy, facilitating increased domestic production to address 
these high prices, the Biden Administration and your agency 
continue to pursue an energy strategy that I believe punishes 
American energy producers and prioritizes energy from sources 
championed by your allies on the political left.
    I support an all-of-the-above energy approach to ensure 
that our constituents have access to energy that is reliable, 
affordable and, of course, environmentally sustainable. I 
support the development of renewable energy sources like wind 
and solar and new technology innovations in those spaces as 
well as new technologies utilizing nuclear power and 
traditional fossil fuels to deliver safer, cleaner, more 
reliable energy at a reasonable cost.
    However, I am concerned that the Administration is getting 
too far ahead of the market in its efforts to, quote, 
decarbonize the grid by prioritizing less reliable, more 
expensive energy sources that will require huge investments 
just to become operational. Some people estimate the electrical 
requirements and the grid, for example, may take 30 years to 
build out what the proposals are as it relates to electric 
vehicles.
    Ultimately, in this top-down approach, the ratepayers, our 
constituents--and they are already seeing it--will end up 
footing the bill for an overambitious--attempts to overhaul 
this grid. Madam Secretary, DOE has highlighted the 
importance--the billions of dollars for transmission and other 
grid upgrades including--included in the Infrastructure 
Investment and Jobs Act. But I am worried that much of this 
money could be wasted through aimless spending meant to merely 
check off a box rather than make real needed improvements in 
the grid. Can you confirm that the Department is taking steps 
to ensure transparency and wise use of taxpayer resources and 
protection of consumers' access to affordable energy in this 
process?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Bucshon. I like that answer. And now I--we need the 
followup. Madam Secretary, as you know--I guess it is 2JA gives 
the Federal Government authority to overrule State agencies in 
designing an area of the U.S. as a--designating an area of the 
U.S. as a national interest electric corridor. Is the 
Department engaging with the State and local regulators on this 
issue?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We are planning full stakeholder--
we have been engaged in stakeholder briefings. We will be 
issuing both notices of intent, which we have issued notice of 
intent, to be able to get feedback. We have been having 
regional dialogs. It has been a full-on partnership to ensure 
that, as we plan, we plan in a smart way and plan in a way that 
is most responsive to your point to the ratepayers. We make 
sure we don't increase costs. But we give them access to the 
cheapest forms of power. And in many places, as I was just 
saying, that really is solar or wind.
    Mr. Bucshon. Understood. Well, I--and let me just say on 
that one it is solar and wind because of massive Federal 
Government subsidies. I would argue that--I would argue that as 
it is--if you factor in the taxpayer costs, there is a little 
bit of a debate about whether it is actually the most 
affordable form of energy. Again, and I support solar and wind. 
Don't get me wrong. So you are taking into consideration State 
and local concerns, it sounds like.
    I mean, and what about if states make decisions on siting 
and rate-setting? Will you respect some of their decisions on 
that or overrule them?
    Secretary Granholm. Well, obviously it is very context-
specific.
    Mr. Bucshon. Yes.
    Secretary Granholm. But we want to work with State and 
locals. And honestly, we want to be able to site any 
transmission. If we can, the first preference would be to site 
in areas where we may have a Federal right-of-way or where it 
is on a public land so that it is the course--the path of least 
resistance, if you will----
    Mr. Bucshon. Sure.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. To be able to do that. 
That would be our preference. But obviously that may not always 
be necessary. So we want to work with the State and locals to 
ensure acceptance and unity.
    Mr. Bucshon. OK. Thank you. Do you believe the private 
sector should be taking the lead and modernizing the grid and 
the transmission system?
    Secretary Granholm. I do think the private sector has a 
huge role to play, and it is one of the reasons why it would be 
terrific to see some of the tax provisions passed by Congress, 
which would include and incentivize the private sector to be 
able to build out the transmission, build out the energy 
assets, nuclear power. That should have offtake and that 
should--there should be a tax credit associated with zero-
carbon----
    Mr. Bucshon. OK.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Power like that.
    Mr. Bucshon. With your indulgence, Mr. Chairman----
    Does the Federal Government own any gas stations in the 
United States?
    Secretary Granholm. Probably they have a couple on Federal 
property.
    Mr. Bucshon. I would argue, then, we shouldn't be owning 
the plug-ins for electric cars either. I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The chair now recognizes the gentlelady from 
California, Ms. Barragan , for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Barragan . Thank you, Chairman Rush, for holding this 
important hearing on the Fiscal Year 2023 budget for the 
Department of Energy.
    Secretary Granholm, welcome. Thank you for being here today 
and for your visit to the Los Angeles Cleantech Incubator last 
week. I have worked closely with the LA Cleantech Incubator to 
support electric vehicle carshare programs at public housing.
    The incubator has a pilot project in my district at the 
Rancho San Pedro Public Housing Complex so that lower-income 
residents can be part of the electric--even if they can't 
afford a car. How can electric vehicle carshare programs 
support of the--support the Administration's electric vehicle 
equity investments and Justice40 goals?
    Secretary Granholm. Great question. Obviously, the 
Administration very much wants to ensure that the charging 
stations, which, again, this Congress supported in the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, are located in places where they 
do not already exist. And often that is in poorer communities 
and communities that have been left behind and communities 
where there isn't a large degree of electric--a large number of 
electric vehicles and in rural areas and along the main 
corridors. So the first step was to issue guidance, which we 
did in February.
    That guidance is resulting in a lot of feedback from 
communities. And we will then issue--we will--the first chunk 
of the funding is by formula. And that will be to create these 
corridors, transportation corridors in places, again, locating 
these charging stations in places where they don't already 
exist. And the second chunk will be competitive. And we will 
want to make sure that, in those, we locate specifically in the 
communities that you are talking about so that, in every pocket 
of America, people who want to be able to access electric 
vehicles and charge them, they have the opportunity to do so.
    Ms. Barragan . Thank you, Madam Secretary. I have a bill 
called the EVs for All Act to create a grant program at the 
Department of Energy to establish electric vehicle carshare 
programs, public housing for public housing residents. It would 
be great to work with your staff to make this happen.
    Secretary Granholm. We would love it.
    Ms. Barragan . Thank you. My next question is I am leading 
a House appropriations letter to support your budget request of 
105 million for the new Energy Future Grants Program to support 
community clean energy projects and reduce energy cost for 
residents. Part of my ask is to prioritize these investments in 
environmental justice communities and help these communities 
build clean energy microgrids to provide energy resilience from 
climate-driven weather disasters. Can you share how Energy 
Future Grants can help further these goals?
    Secretary Granholm. Thank you for your leadership on this. 
We have the same concern, which is in a lot of communities in 
the country that simply don't have the resources to be able to 
do a strategic plan on their energy future. You know, they got 
mayors who have two jobs. There is a lot of communities where 
the community organizations simply don't have the resources to 
be able to do this.
    These Community Future Grants really are giving them a 
chance to plan their future. We have a small pilot called 
Communities LEAP Program, which is a precursor of this where 
the communities actually sent in a plan and said, ``This is 
what we would like to do, but we need technical assistance to 
be able to make that happen.'' We want every community, not 
just the bigger ones, not the big--not just the big cities, 
although of course we want them to participate too but the--you 
know, the small, the mid-sized cities that simply don't have 
the resources to be able to think about their benefiting from a 
clean energy future, and that is what these clean energy grants 
are all about. Certainly, front-line communities are at the top 
of the list of communities that may not have the resources to 
do this, so I completely share your vision and your values 
underneath the grants for local communities.
    Ms. Barragan . Well, thank you. And you mentioned a topic 
that's in really my next question. It is about the--your 
recently released equity plan and the inclusion of LEAP, the 
Local Energy Action Program. Can you maybe share if there is 
anything more you want to share on that how LEAP--how--how can 
LEAP help communities of color transition to clean energy, 
reduce energy costs, and create good jobs?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. LEAP really gave us the ability to 
see this in action where communities--for example, there is a 
community near Pittsburgh that wants to use, as a demonstration 
project, weatherization and next-generation building materials 
to secure the homes in that community. They didn't know how to 
access any of the technical assistance from the labs. We are 
going to embrace them and help them to access the lab 
information as well as any grants that they might be qualifying 
for, not just in DOE but across the Federal Government.
    So it is really giving communities access to the Federal 
Government and often the Byzantine process by which you have to 
access it. You might have to hire a consultant to be able to 
get access to it. So the bottom line is we really want to make 
sure that all communities have access to the benefits of the 
things that you all are passing.
    Ms. Barragan . Great. Thank you, Madam Secretary.
    Mr. Chair, I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady's time has expired. The Chair now 
recognizes the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Duncan, for 5 
minutes.
    Mr. Duncan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    And Madam Secretary, thanks for being here today. You are 
anti-fossil fuels, aren't you?
    Secretary Granholm. I would like to transition away from 
unabated fossil fuels to a clean energy future.
    Mr. Duncan. How did you transit over here today?
    Secretary Granholm. I have a--I got a ride in the fleet 
vehicle that we have.
    Mr. Duncan. And that is a Suburban, probably, with a chase 
vehicle for your security detail?
    Secretary Granholm. My preferred vehicle is the one fleet 
vehicle----
    Mr. Duncan. I don't care about your----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. That is----
    Mr. Duncan [continuing]. Preferred vehicle. That is not 
what I----
    Secretary Granholm. Well, I have--in my fleet vehicle, we 
do have an electric vehicle. We had----
    Mr. Duncan. Did you drive the electric vehicle over here 
today?
    Secretary Granholm. Not today because we had too many 
people in the car.
    Mr. Duncan. OK. So just for the record, they have fossil 
fuel vehicles within the fleet that moves----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We do.
    Mr. Duncan [continuing]. The Secretary around. And I am 
glad you have electric vehicles. That is fine. We will knock 
that for the record too. Is that a Tesla or is that a Ford 
product? Do you----
    Secretary Granholm. A Ford product.
    Mr. Duncan. OK. Thank you. So I want to thank you for 
approval last month and yesterday of the pending LNG export 
facilities. Just a quick question. Why have no wind and solar-
produced energy export facilities been approved by your agency?
    Secretary Granholm. Wind and solar are energies right now 
that are deployed onsite and that are generated onsite. 
However, if we are able to do----
    Mr. Duncan. They are not exportable.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Clean hydrogen----
    Mr. Duncan. Let's just----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Hubs, hydrogen would be 
able to----
    Mr. Duncan. Renewable energy is not exportable beyond 
transmission lines that cross borders. You could provide 
Ottawa, Canada or Tijuana electricity produced by wind and 
solar, but you can't export it to Ukraine. So you guys are 
supporting LNG exports, and I appreciate that. That is helping 
our allies.
    Germany literally just announced a little while ago that 
they are going to not import any sort of Russian oil or gas. We 
need to replace that with American-produced energy. It is 
cleaner-burning anyway, so if you believe in man-made climate 
change, you should support American LNG burning everywhere. It 
is hypocritical, though, because you sat here and touted the 
Administration's--wrongly, I believe, but number of oil and gas 
leases when the President ended all oil and gas leases on 
Federal land, onshore and offshore, in January of last year, 
canceled existing leases, onshore and offshore, last January. 
And that shrunk domestic supply.
    The Administration definitely responsible for an increase 
at the price at the pump for mom and dads. Trying to blame 
Vladimir Putin for it, but gas prices were already going up. 
They were up 50 percent before Russia ever invaded Ukraine. And 
so I just think that is--that is wrong, that--to be proud of 
those efforts but at the same time, not liking fossil fuels. So 
let me ask you this. In your opinion, what are the best sources 
of energy production to provide the 24/7/365 baseload power 
supply that our Nation needs?
    Secretary Granholm. I think nuclear is an important 
baseload power. I think hydroelectric is an important baseload 
power. I think that you can pair renewables with storage and 
have that be a baseload power. I think that we will see----
    Mr. Duncan. Pair it with----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. The baseload power----
    Mr. Duncan [continuing]. Storage, battery storage?
    Secretary Granholm. Pardon me?
    Mr. Duncan. You are going to pair it with storage. How are 
you going to store it? Battery storage?
    Secretary Granholm. Battery storage. Yes.
    Mr. Duncan. We don't have that capability yet.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes, we do.
    Mr. Duncan. It would take an enormous amount of space and 
other minerals----
    Secretary Granholm. It is being done----
    Mr. Duncan [continuing]. We talked about.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. In places across the 
country right now, sir.
    Mr. Duncan. Yes. Well, they are also building hydro storage 
projects, which are battery storage. I get that. But 24/7 
baseload power is needed. We talk a lot about energy. We think 
about transportation fuels, but we need to focus on the 
baseload power supply that manufacturing needs in this country 
to produce the widgets and other things, provide the jobs.
    Nuclear has got to be a part of that. I appreciate you 
mentioning that. We produce about 55 percent of our power in 
South Carolina from nuclear power. Ninety-five percent of our 
carbon-free electricity is produced by nuclear. Nuclear needs 
to be a big part of this. So what does the future look like for 
that baseload power?
    Secretary Granholm. That has got to absolutely be a part of 
our power structure. It is right now, and it should continue to 
be, and hopefully it grows.
    Mr. Duncan. Yes.
    Secretary Granholm. Including with advanced nuclear 
reactors, which----
    Mr. Duncan. Absolutely.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Can be--can be paired 
with----
    Mr. Duncan. Thank you for mentioning that. Well, there is 
thorium or SMRs or anything. Advances got to be a part of that. 
I want to see the Department of Energy--and I applaud you for 
that, for being a part of that.
    The Nuclear Regulatory Commission commissions new reactors. 
I have got a bill, H.R. 1559, Modernize the Nuclear Reactor 
Environmental Review Act, to try to expedite the environmental 
review process so that we can get more nuclear power online. I 
would ask your Department to also work with NRC to keep nuclear 
power in relicensing, keep those power plants and our fleet 
online to provide that carbon-free electricity for the Nation.
    There is just a lot of different policies that affect that. 
One is going to be waste. And we are going to have to have some 
sort of policy on the waste strain, whether it is advanced 
nuclear or whether it is the current nuclear fleet. Can you 
reply in detail for the record--well, my time is up. I will 
submit another question for the record, ask you to reply.
    Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I yield----
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Vermont, Mr. 
Welch, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Welch. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.
    And Madam Secretary, welcome. I appreciate the good work 
that you and your team are doing. I am going to just focus on 
four areas that I think are of interest to you and I know 
important component, performance contracting, appliance 
standards, weatherization, and EV charging. Performance 
contracting is something that a lot of us have been working on 
for a very long time. And there have been snags along the way, 
but it has really, as you know, been very effective. And a 
basic question is where are we on performance contracting, and 
can you confirm that DOE will continue to leverage the EFEC 
program and the infrastructure funds through performance 
contracts.
    Secretary Granholm. Absolutely. It is an incredibly 
important and smart way of making sure that we are energy-
efficient.
    Mr. Welch. Yes. And we have had some challenges with OMB. I 
mean, this pays for itself; right? I mean, the----
    Secretary Granholm. Utterly.
    Mr. Welch [continuing]. Companies are putting the money up 
front. It is all local jobs, and it results in savings to the 
taxpayer and results in reduced carbon emissions. Is there any 
bad--downside----
    Secretary Granholm. I don't see the----
    Mr. Welch [continuing]. Downside----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Downside to it either.
    Mr. Welch [continuing]. To doing more of this?
    Secretary Granholm. I do not see a downside. I think it is 
a very smart way of proceeding.
    Mr. Welch. OK. Thanks. Appliance standards. Again, one of 
the ways, obviously, to save on carbon emissions is to have 
appliance standards and have those apply and then manufacturers 
can compete to do the best job in producing them. I was glad to 
see you have new efficiency standards for light bulbs. And the 
appliance standards, as you know, are an easy way for the 
reduction of carbon emissions and saving money.
    It can be about a hundred bucks a year, which, you know, is 
real money. How will DOE work to ensure necessary staff and 
processes are in place to continue expediting appliance 
efficiency standards because the practical challenge is getting 
a standard that makes sense, doesn't go too far but is not 
lacking in ambition? It is a very practical one that requires 
good staff, good expertise, and good responsiveness to 
industry.
    Secretary Granholm. You obviously know this very well and, 
yes, we need the right amount of staff to be able to process 
all of the--particularly the backlog. We inherited about 57 
actions that were behind. We are committed to processing 100 
standards by the end of this year. But it is--no doubt it is a 
huge workload, and I applaud my staff for doing it. And we want 
to make sure that we recruit people who have the expertise to 
be able to----
    Mr. Welch. No. I appreciate that because it is easy for us 
to say let's have efficiency standards. But the actual doing of 
it is----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Welch [continuing]. Hard work.
    Secretary Granholm. It is.
    Mr. Welch. And we pontificate, and you actually have to 
produce. So let us know what the staff requirements are you 
need to be successful. Weatherization, the--the newly formed 
Office of State Community Energy Programs now has the 
Weatherization Assistance Program. Can you explain how the 
proposed pilot, LIHEAP Advantage Program, can help further the 
mission of the Weatherization Assistance Program and support 
residential efficiency, decarbonization.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. This is something that had 
bothered me back from when I was Governor that we would spend a 
lot of LIHEAP money paying people so that they could pay their 
bills, paying their--people--people's bills, but we wouldn't be 
spending the money to weatherize their home so we wouldn't have 
to spend as much paying the bills. So now we have combined 
that. And in partnership with DHS, we are--I mean, Health and 
Human Services. No, with HUD--excuse me.
    In partnership with HUD, we are addressing that head-on by 
identifying the homes that are most likely to be using a lot of 
LIHEAP money so that we can weatherize them and then be able to 
really leverage the additional dollars that would result in 
doing more homes. So it is a----
    Mr. Welch. Yes. Thank you.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Really exciting----
    Mr. Welch. It has been----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Development.
    Mr. Welch [continuing]. A great jobs program too in 
Vermont, but thank you for that. And then finally, EV charging, 
obviously absolutely critical if we are going to give people 
the confidence they need in order to make that transition to an 
electric vehicle as well as trying to make those electric 
vehicles available.
    Rural areas like Vermont, we need them. And my question is 
your focus on--how it will ensure that rural and underserved 
communities are prioritized and do get the adequate EV charging 
funding to allow these communities to transition into clean 
energy transportation.
    Secretary Granholm. Right. We have a shared office with the 
Department of Transportation, as was guided in the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law. We sent out the first--first set of 
guidance, which is transportation corridors for the seven-and-
a-half billion dollars that were funded for EV charging. The 
next--excuse me--the first part was for five billion. The next 
part will be for two-and-a-half billion. That would be more 
competitive, and that will go directly to underserved areas. 
There may be transportation corridors right now in rural areas. 
But underserved areas are maybe a different category because 
they may be in urban neighborhoods that simply don't have a 
high volume of electric vehicles but need to if we are going to 
make sure that we give people the opportunity to electrify. So 
two chunks that will all be out hopefully by the end of this 
year.
    Mr. Welch. That is great. Thank you very much.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Michigan, Mr. 
Walberg, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Walberg. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and tempted to say 
Governor Granholm. Secretary Granholm, good to see you. Thanks 
for being here. Frankly, we ought to do it more often.
    Secretary Granholm. We should.
    Mr. Walberg. Thanks so much. As we have talked about today, 
we are in the midst of a ongoing energy crisis. And while we 
are grateful that you have come before the committee, I am 
disappointed that, right now, we aren't seeing a strong 
emphasis coming from the Department of Energy on concerns that 
we have both in Michigan and the United States, Canada. And we 
have talked a bit already about the issue of Line 5. But I want 
to go back to that, and I certainly want to be as respectful as 
I ought to be on it. But listening to the response to 
Representative Latta about Line 5, my thoughts went to the fact 
that you are the energy czar for this country.
    It is not Secretary Blinken. It is not State that is 
responsible for energy. As a natural-born Canadian, a 
naturalized American citizen, Governor of Michigan, the answer 
to the question of does Line 5 have an economic impact upon the 
State of Michigan, I thought the answer would be absolutely and 
not, ``I can't answer that.''
    And then the response that--to the question of whether you 
are keeping in constant contact with State to let them know the 
energy issues, you couldn't answer that as well. That is 
concerning to me because I don't want--I don't want Secretary 
Blinken, who was in Ukraine when I was there this weekend. I 
don't want him dealing with anything but Secretary of State 
issues.
    And though the courts are dealing with, right now, Line 5 
because we have an attorney general in our State and a Governor 
in our State right now that, for some reason, want to have a 
war on energy and really a war on Canada and Michigan itself to 
move forward, I think Energy--Department of Energy ought to be 
standing loud and proud and saying, ``No. This must continue.'' 
I got to admit I almost came down and sat next to you to answer 
the question and saying, ``Well, I am not the Governor of 
Michigan, but I am a representative of Michigan, and, yes, it 
has tremendous impact on the economy in Michigan.'' It has 
tremendous impact on the economy in Ohio. It has tremendous 
impact on the economy in Canada. It has a relationship to our 
two nations that are important. There is a treaty that is there 
that, really, right now, Michigan is attempting to violate.
    And with what we saw with the Colonial Pipeline and the 
impact there, I mean, I will be flying home on a flight 
tomorrow that has fuel most likely that came from Line 5 that 
is in my plane and the number of jobs that could be impacted by 
that. That gives me concern, in all honesty, about what Energy 
is doing--the Department of Energy is doing for energy. Could I 
give you a chance to answer again that question? Does Line 5 
and what it brings through have an economic impact on Michigan 
and the country?
    Secretary Granholm. I have learned in my years in politics 
that sometimes it is best not to get in front of a state's 
Governor or President especially if you are in that 
administration and if something is in the courts, which it is.
    Mr. Walberg. What advice are you giving to the President 
about the necessity of having resources that come in 
partnership with Canada and impact the United States 
significantly?
    Secretary Granholm. In fact, Canada--the--my counterpart in 
Canada, Jonathan Wilkinson, who is their energy minister, and I 
signed an MOU about the importance of working together on 
energy issues. We were specifically referring to critical 
minerals. But it is important. Canada is a huge ally, and they 
have similar goals as we do.
    Mr. Walberg. Well, critical minerals are important, 
especially as we are thinking of the electrification of 
vehicles, etc. But right now, we don't have that up and running 
as complete as it will be. And we need the resources that come 
from our natural resources right now. I am over time. I 
appreciate you letting me do that, and I hope we can talk 
further and ultimately see Energy take a stand on energy. I 
yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman's time has expired.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentlelady from California, 
Ms. Matsui, for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Matsui. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    And welcome, Secretary Granholm. It is really nice to see 
you. I have some specific questions I would like to ask you 
about the Store Nuclear Fuel Act, which is my bill. Due to the 
impasse over the Yucca Mountain repository, spent nuclear fuel 
at decommissioned nuclear plants continues to burden 
communities nationwide, including my home district of 
Sacramento. And so for this reason, I have been a long-term 
champion of the Store Nuclear Fuel Act, which would establish a 
legislative framework to develop or consolidate energy storage 
for CIS Program at the Department of Energy. I also have helped 
secure $20 million in the Fiscal Year 2021 omnibus to jumpstart 
this initiative.
    I was encouraged to see the Department utilize these funds 
and advance efforts on a CIS consent-based signing process as 
well as increase budget requests for Fiscal Year 2023 to 
support these efforts. Could you tell me more about the 
Department's plans for the Fiscal Year 202022 funds and the 
2023 increased budget requests?
    Secretary Granholm. Excuse me. Obviously, the management of 
the Nation's spent nuclear fuel and high-level radioactive 
waste is ultimately the Department of Energy's responsibility, 
which is why we have taken very seriously this notion of--and 
following the Blue Ribbon Commission's recommendations of 
consent-based siting. We have issued requests for information 
on that in December and received back over 230 responses.
    Those are posted from communities listening to 
stakeholders, making sure that we do it right. Ultimately, this 
notion of making sure that there are communities that are 
willing to take on the interim responsibility for siting 
nuclear fuel is very important strategy that our Nuclear Energy 
Office is undertaking, and we hope to be able to have some 
initial window into that. And we know it is complicated, and we 
know that communities who raise their hand would have to have 
the transportation infrastructure associated with it, would 
have to have the storage infrastructure built in it. And they 
would have to be compensated for their willingness to serve the 
country in this way.
    So it is a complicated process, but we are proceeding down 
the path, and we are doing it in a way that is respectful of 
the communities, and hopefully we will find some agreement 
among one, two--we don't know how many communities that are 
willing to take on this responsibility.
    Ms. Matsui. Well, thank you, Secretary. I hope to work with 
you even more on this. Last year, I co-led the POWER ON Act 
with bipartisan colleagues from California and Texas to create 
a new Department of Energy program to help states fund grid 
resiliency upgrades for extreme weather events. I was thankful 
to see the $2.5 billion for similar efforts included in the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Madam Secretary, what additional 
investments does this agency need during Fiscal Year 202023 to 
complement the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law grid resiliency 
efforts?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We are asking for an additional 
$90 million to be able to ensure that we complement, as you 
say, the Bipartisan Infrastructure investments. We want to make 
sure it is done right, and that means that you have to have, in 
addition to the anchor tenant component that I referred to 
earlier as an incentive for the buildout of transmission. You 
also have to have--make sure that we have a grid that is 
resilient to high-impact weather events.
    So, for example, the funding that came from the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law with respect to resiliency, undergrounding 
wires where that makes sense in a targeted way, making sure 
that we have technology attached to the grid in a way that is 
giving notice of impending events or the dropping of wires in a 
high wildfire area, for example, or in a hurricane area so that 
you don't impact the entire grid.
    All of those kinds of advanced technologies are a part of 
what the Grid Deployment Office will undertake, that 
resiliency, the expansion of capacity and making sure that we 
are responding and listening to communities who want or may 
have concerns about the expansion of the grid. All of that will 
be undertaken as we give the technical assistance that is 
necessary to both communities and utilities.
    Ms. Matsui. Well, I thank you very much because, as you 
know, in California, there is wildfire season. Every time we 
hear an alert, we wonder about it. So really, really appreciate 
your efforts on this so----
    Secretary Granholm. Thank you.
    Ms. Matsui. Thank you very much.
    And Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Alabama, Mr. 
Palmer, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Palmer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    Madam Secretary, we are here to talk about budgets. So 
let's talk about the budgets of American families and budgets 
of American small towns and rural communities and how your 
Department and this Administration's policies have impacted 
those budgets. December 2020, the average price for a gallon of 
gas was $2.14. Today, it is four dollars. That is a difference 
of $1.86 a gallon.
    Considering that the average person consumes well over 650 
gallons of gas per year, that is over $1200 that they are 
having to pay an additional cost just for gasoline for the car. 
That doesn't take into account the fact that U.S. Census Bureau 
reported that one of every four, fully a quarter, of all 
families' households in the United States had reduced what they 
were spending on food and medicine in order to pay their 
household utility bills.
    We have seen the price of food go up. And what I want to 
point out is that energy cost is the single most inflationary 
component of the entire economy. There is an energy cost in 
everything. Everything that we have eaten, everything that we 
consumed this morning, today, has an energy cost. And I just 
want to ask you what did you pay for the last tank of gas that 
you put in your vehicle? Does your personal vehicle use gas?
    Secretary Granholm. My personal vehicle is located in 
California, and I pay close to--well, actually, my personal 
vehicle is electric, but my daughter's vehicle, who is with us, 
pay close to five dollars a gallon.
    Mr. Palmer. Yes.
    Secretary Granholm. It is expensive.
    Mr. Palmer. Well, they are paying 4.62 in Winslow, Arizona. 
They are paying 4.94 in Caliente, Nevada. And North Conway, New 
Hampshire, it is 4.29. In Benton Harbor, Michigan, your former 
State, it is almost four dollars. Milford, Pennsylvania is 
4.25. People are paying high, high prices for gas. And what I 
want to ask you is your predecessor--one of your predecessors 
in the Obama administration in 2015 made the comment that--it 
was Steven Chu, by the way. Wanted to get gasoline prices up to 
the same level as they were paying in Europe. Had that been the 
case, it would have been six dollars to gallon. Do you support 
that?
    Secretary Granholm. No.
    Mr. Palmer. Thank you for that answer. I also want to point 
out how this is impacting small towns. There is a city in my 
district, Clanton, Alabama. We estimate they consume about 60--
people buy about 60,000 gallons of gas, you know, in the city. 
When you consider that in December 2020, gas prices had gone up 
two dollars a gallon over what they were paying then, that is 
$120,000 that that small town no longer has to be spent in the 
local grocery stores, in their local businesses, on 
entertainment. These people aren't saving that money anymore. 
Does that concern you?
    Secretary Granholm. Absolutely, it concerns me.
    Mr. Palmer. Why are you pushing policies that are making 
life miserable for people? You have the power to unleash 
American energy. And I see you have got that American-
Lithuanian flag on your lapel.
    Secretary Granholm. Ukrainian.
    Mr. Palmer. I mean Ukrainian. I am sorry. I have been in 
contact with people on the ground and the government over 
there. And I spoke to you directly about them asking that you 
unleash what is probably right now the most powerful weapon in 
the arsenal of democracy. That is American energy.
    Secretary Granholm. So, No. 1, totally agree with your 
concern about the price of gas. I think you are completely 
right to focus on that because it is hurting people. The 
Administration is very concerned about this too. 
Administrations across the world are concerned because the 
price of oil, which gas comes from, is traded on a global 
market. Right now----
    Mr. Palmer. Engineering so I know----
    Secretary Granholm. Well----
    Mr. Palmer [continuing]. A lot about----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. So right now, Russia's 
actions have taken oil off----
    Mr. Palmer. No, ma'am.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. The market. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Palmer. No, ma'am.
    Secretary Granholm. It has taken 1.5 million barrels off 
the market because countries like the United States have 
rightfully said, ``We will not finance this.''
    Mr. Palmer. Your----
    Secretary Granholm. Countries like Canada have said, ``We 
will not finance this war.''
    Mr. Palmer. Members of your party, my Democrat colleagues, 
held a hearing last October, called the CEO of Exxon a liar and 
demanded that they reduce production. We had a hearing just a 
few weeks ago on this committee and accused them of reducing 
production so that they could increase prices. You can't have 
it both ways. I----
    Secretary Granholm. Sir----
    Mr. Palmer [continuing]. Worked in engineering. I have a 
pretty good understanding about how this works and what it 
costs to get gas--to get oil out of the ground, get it to a 
refinery, turn it into gasoline and sell it to the public.
    And what your--what this Administration is doing and what 
your agency is doing is not doing the things they need to do to 
open up these resources, which would not only bring down the 
price of energy but would help defeat Russia in Ukraine.
    Secretary Granholm. With respect, sir, the talking points 
are not accurate.
    Mr. Palmer. Yes, they are.
    Secretary Granholm. We have done everything we can to 
encourage the oil and gas community to increase supply at this 
moment. We have called upon them to do it. We have issued more 
permits under this----
    Mr. Palmer. These members----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Administration----
    Mr. Palmer [continuing]. Demanded they reduce production 
last October. Then you turn around----
    Secretary Granholm. Under this Administration right now, 
there is a concern about supply because of the war. The war has 
caused prices to escalate----
    Mr. Palmer. Prices were already----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Yes, sir----
    Mr. Palmer [continuing]. Going up.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. By pulling oil off the 
market.
    Mr. Palmer. They were really----
    Secretary Granholm. I understand that is not what you want 
to believe, but the truth----
    Mr. Palmer. No.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Is if you ask any----
    Mr. Palmer. It is not.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Oil executive----
    Mr. Palmer. You are misleading----
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. They say----
    Mr. Palmer [continuing]. The American public.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. That it doesn't involve--
--
    Mr. Palmer. Misleading the American public. I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentlelady from New Hampshire, 
Ms. Kuster, for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Kuster. Thank you very much, Madam--Mr. Chairman. And I 
am so grateful for you to organize this annual oversight 
hearing. And thank you to Secretary Granholm. You are doing a 
great job. I really appreciate all the efforts that you are 
making and of course for Ukraine and Russia's actions having an 
impact. I do want to say he said the price at the pumps in New 
Hampshire and in my town of Contoocook, it is under four 
dollars. So I want to make sure that is in the record as well. 
Well, I am going to jump right in by stating the obvious. Many 
Americans are experiencing high energy costs. And it is a 
result of our reliance on fossil fuels, which are vulnerable to 
disruptions, as we are discussing here today, by petrol State 
dictators. But renewable energy resources like wind and solar 
and hydro are available right here domestically.
    And I am particularly interested in harnessing our Nation's 
untapped hydropower resources and finding new ways to retrofit 
existing dams to help lower energy prices. Last year, I 
introduced the bipartisan Twenty-First Century Dams Act to 
reimagine our Nation's dam infrastructure by rehabilitating 
dams to improve dam safety, remove dams that have outlived 
their useful life and retrofit dams to increase hydropower 
production.
    We call it the three R's, and it's a damn good idea, 
rehabilitating, retrofitting, and removing dams. I was also 
proud to collaborate with Senator Hassan and Portman to secure 
$2.4 billion for the three R's and the Infrastructure 
Investments and Jobs Act, including $753 million for grants to 
retrofit dams to increase hydropower production.
    Madam Secretary, the DOE has yet to release any of this 
funding for hydropower retrofits. The initial timelines 
published by DOE show that the guidance documents for the 
Section 247 retrofit program, a key source of funding, won't be 
completed until next spring. And this means that Hydro 
operators can't make investment decisions to increase clean 
energy output for yet another year. What can the Department of 
Energy do to expedite this hydro funding to our local community 
operators?
    Secretary Granholm. Are you referring to the 754 million 
that was part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law?
    Ms. Kuster. Yes, exactly.
    Secretary Granholm. Great.
    Ms. Kuster. I----
    Secretary Granholm. Great.
    Ms. Kuster. Yes.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. I believe that they are planning 
on issuing requests for information first and--but I need to 
get back to you directly on the exact date of the funding 
opportunity announcement. I hear what you are saying. We feel a 
great sense of urgency about this because we do want to be part 
of your damn good idea.
    Ms. Kuster. Great. Thank you very much. And particularly 
the discussion we are having right now about vehicles and your 
reference to electric vehicles, we want to make sure that we 
have plenty of safe renewable energy, and hydro is such a great 
opportunity for that. Now, the Department of Energy has 
estimated up to 12 GWs of our capacity at existing non-power 
dams, enough electricity for nine million homes, and yet 
hydropower resources are slow to come online, and dam owners 
have to navigate the FERC hydro licensing process and 
regulatory inconsistencies at agencies that manage dams like 
the Army Corps.
    So Secretary Granholm, should Congress consider reforms to 
make it easier to retrofit non-power dams as part of a long-
term strategy to reduce energy loss?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes, it should. And I would also add, 
along with that, the tax credits associated with generating 
electricity from hydropower that would be part of the Energy 
Tax Credits Act. Both would be very important.
    Ms. Kuster. Great. So I think it is a win-win-win. I 
applaud your leadership. I want to thank you for everything 
that you are doing in this Administration to bring down energy 
costs. And I think renewables are the direction that we should 
head. And we should do so with great urgency to give consumers 
a break from these high energy bills.
    And with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentlelady from the great 
State of Arizona, Mrs. Lesko, for 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Lesko. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Secretary Granholm.
    Secretary, battery storage facilities or battery energy 
storage systems are often used by utilities to store energy 
generated from renewable power sources, including solar. Your 
budget request includes over $6 billion for battery grants and 
programs. In April 2019, Peoria, Arizona Fire Captain Hunter 
Clare, along with seven other firefighters and one police 
officer were sent to the hospital after a battery energy 
storage system caught fire and exploded. In fact, it shot them 
through a fence.
    On April 21st, just the other day, 2022, firefighters were 
called to the Dorman battery storage system in Chandler, 
Arizona that caught fire. They put in a robot to check that one 
out. I met with Captain Clare, who is still not able to work 
full-time. And he said that the fire departments aren't always 
told what materials and chemicals are used in these battery 
storage facilities, so they don't know how to address putting 
out the fires. What are you doing to make these facilities 
safe, and has your Department had any discussion with battery 
storage manufacturers, utilities and first responders to ensure 
that first responders are able to effectively respond to 
incidents without giving up proprietary information?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. I know CESER does a lot of work 
with utilities and training with respect to grid resiliency, 
etc. On the battery-specific question, I am going to have to 
get back to you about what they are doing on ensuring that 
batteries--that firefighters, in particular, have the training 
necessary and know what equipment and what responses they 
should be providing in the event of an incident like that.
    Mrs. Lesko. Yes. I would--thank you. I would highly 
encourage you to--your office to check into that because they 
are becoming--I meet with mayors in my district every month. 
And this issue has come up as more and more battery storage 
units are put in neighborhoods, that the risk of fires, 
explosion--I mean, we need to make sure that they are safe. So 
thank you for that.
    My next question is, in Arizona, the peak time for solar 
energy generation is at about 3 p.m. in the afternoon while the 
peak time for energy consumption or demand is at 6 p.m. when 
people come home from work. The amount of power that must be 
generated from sources other than solar to meet this increased 
demand produces a graph that resembles the silhouette of a 
duck, which is called a duck curve. I want to make sure that, 
while we are exploring hydrogen's fuel benefits, we are 
simultaneously working to correct the intermittency issues that 
are disruptive.
    With regards to the Hydrogen Hub Program, I understand you 
may be going through a multistep process to select the 
projects. Are you taking into account where the greatest need 
is to address the so-called duck curve that happens when 
intermittent energy sources are not available?
    Secretary Granholm. Clearly, hydrogen is a great solution 
for that. And especially in states like Arizona, which have 
massive capacity for renewable energy, particularly in sun, 
that opportunity to transform, through electrolyzers, that 
energy into dispatchable baseload power is exactly what 
addresses that duck curve, including the storage of it. So I 
think the hydrogen hubs are a great solution, one great 
solution, in addition to energy storage, safe, to that duck-
curve issue.
    Mrs. Lesko. Thank you. I am going to end, since I only have 
51 seconds left, with just a statement. You have said today 
that you are in favor of mining in the United States to meet 
the Administration's climate goals, yet the Biden 
Administration has shut down mines that would provide jobs and 
minerals that would be used for renewable energy and electric 
vehicles.
    For example, the Resolution Copper Mine in Superior, 
Arizona was approved by the Trump Administration but was shut 
down by the Biden Administration not even 2 months later. This 
mine would produce up to 25 percent of our Nation's needs for 
copper and would help allow our Nation to stop relying on 
foreign nations like China for our mineral needs. You have also 
said today that you are in favor of encouraging U.S. oil and 
gas production, yet the Biden Administration had stopped 
Federal land lease sales for new U.S. oil and gas production on 
almost day one that he was in office and has now increased the 
royalty rates for new Federal land lease sales. I hope you 
understand why Republicans are skeptical of what you are seeing 
in light of what the Biden Administration has done. And with 
that, I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady's----
    Mrs. Lesko. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Rush [continuing]. Time has expired.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Virginia, Mr. 
McEachin, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. McEachin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    And thank you, Madam Secretary, for being with us today. 
Madam Secretary, as you know, the Biden Administration's 
Justice40 Initiative identified at least five programs as 
covered programs pilot to maximize benefits to disadvantaged 
communities, the Weatherization Assistance Program, Solar 
Energy Technologies Office, Vehicle Technologies Office, the 
Advanced Manufacturing Office, and Environmental Management at 
Los Alamos. Kindly please tell me how these pilot programs are 
integrated with principles laid out under the Justice40 
program, and what other programs can we expect to be covered by 
Justice40 at the Department of Energy?
    Secretary Granholm. Our ED office is actually infusing the 
principles of Justice40 and environmental justice in all of our 
practices. These are particularly offices where it is prime to 
be able to do that, but we feel it is a whole-of-agency 
approach. In fact, I think the Biden Administration considers 
it a whole-of-government approach.
    The deployment of solar, the deployment of--or the ability 
to hire people in advanced manufacturing, making sure 
businesses have an opportunity, minority businesses. 
Weatherization program overwhelmingly helps communities that 
are communities of color. So we want to make sure that the 
benefits of the investments in not just the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law but in the rest of the--the whole of the 
Biden Administration, 40 percent of which should go to 
communities that have been at the back of the line, and that 
should be now in prime consideration for the benefits of these 
investments. So we are excited to see this thread through all 
of these offices but not just these five. Those may be the 
prime targets, but we want to see it throughout the entire 
Department and throughout the entire Administration.
    Mr. McEachin. Thank you for that, Madam Secretary. As the 
White House--to move forward on additional guidance relating to 
Justice40 Initiative, I noticed some of DOE, such as the Loan 
Program Office, are already beginning to look at how we can 
ensure that we are making the investments to move us to a clean 
energy future with equity in mind. And that, of course, is good 
news. How is the Department at large taking equity into account 
as we implement the significant investments made under the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law?
    Secretary Granholm. This is a great question because it 
really--it relates a little bit to the question that was asked 
by Mrs. Lesko before she left today. But it is really--if you 
are doing a significant investment, whether it is a hydrogen 
hub or a mine, that--that investment should be done in 
partnership with the community. It shouldn't be done over top 
of the community. It shouldn't be done in a way that violates 
the values of that community. And so making sure communities 
are at the table in these decisions are a part of what this is.
    That is true with respect to, you know, our critical 
minerals. I was just at the Salton Sea, which is an extremely 
poor area of California that has the highest COVID rate but 
also has the huge potential to be a lithium--a site for massive 
amounts of lithium sustainably mined. When I say 
``sustainably,'' I mean that is what communities want. They 
want to not have extraction happen, somebody else take the 
money away and them be left with nothing or worse.
    And so those externalities are important when you consider 
these investments. And that is very important to us at the 
Department of Energy and very important to the Biden 
Administration.
    Mr. McEachin. In about the minute or so that I have left, I 
am interested in how clean energy demonstrations will support 
emerging technologies and their adoption, deployment, and 
large-scale commercialization of the technologies we will need 
to meet our commitment to becoming zero-carbon--to becoming a 
zero-carbon economy by 2050.
    With this in mind, how would this budget support 
collaboration between OCED and apply to energy offices in the 
Loan Program Office?
    Secretary Granholm. That is a great question. Thirty 
seconds. The Department of Energy historically has been an 
agency that does a lot of research and development. And now we 
are exercising a whole new muscle, which is major 
demonstrations and deployment. That side of things must connect 
to the research and development side because, as you deploy new 
technologies, there is still more research and development in 
the next generation of that technology or other technologies 
that come behind. So it is a continuous seam.
    The budget supports both sides of the equation. In fact, 
they inform each other. The technology side informs the 
deployment side. The deployment side informs the technology 
side. We have a number of joint strategy teams to ensure that 
each side is connected to the other, and that is why this 
budget is so exciting.
    Mr. McEachin. Thank you very much, Madam Secretary.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman's time----
    Mr. McEachin. Chairman, I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from North Dakota, 
Mr. Armstrong, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Armstrong. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    On the campaign trail, President Biden said that he was 
going to end oil and gas development and that he would use a 
whole-of-government approach to do so. And Secretary Granholm, 
the last time you testified in front of this committee and 
stated that pipelines were essential infrastructure--which I 
appreciate, by the way--was the same week that the 
Administration's climate czar, Gina McCarthy, issued a report 
stating that the Federal Government should not invest one 
Federal dollar to expend--extend the life of a single carbon 
molecule.
    Now, a lot has happened since then. But in February, in the 
middle of Ukrainian invasion and strain on world prices, FERC 
issued a rule or issued a mandate that they were going to now 
start requiring any FERC approval to have upstream and 
downstream mitigation. And in March, the SEC chair proposed a 
regulation mandating climate-based financial reporting, which 
would green-light activist investors and groups to bring 
shareholder lawsuits.
    And not to be outdone, this committee had a hearing in 
April called ``Gouged at the Gas Station: Big Oil and 
Americans' Pain at the Pump.'' So I agree with you because I do 
talk to oil and gas executives at least three or four times a 
week. And I believe that Wall Street and access to capital is a 
huge part of the problem.
    But when the entire Federal Government is telling you that 
they are going to starve off an industry--and these processes 
take an incredible amount of time to get the infrastructure 
down--it is true, but it is definitely not the entire part of 
the story. So at the hearing--well, let me just ask. Do you 
agree with the Democrat members of this committee that oil and 
gas companies are engaged in price gouging?
    Secretary Granholm. I don't--I haven't heard them say that 
they are engaged in price gouging. I have heard people say that 
it is something to be looked at. As the former attorney 
general, I looked at that when I was the attorney general of 
Michigan, make sure that it happened. And there were some 
isolated instances where that was happening. So for the sake of 
the people that we all care about, we want to make sure there 
is no gouging at all. But I am not saying--and I don't know 
that anybody is saying that there is wholesale gouging.
    Mr. Armstrong. We had an entire hearing with an entire 
group of people on this dais absolutely accusing----
    Secretary Granholm. I didn't see.
    Mr. Armstrong [continuing]. Companies of price gouging. 
Well, let me ask you a second question. Two of the witnesses 
that were involved in that hearing actually do no refining 
whatsoever and have zero involvement in refining or retail sale 
of gasoline. Do you think an oil company who is not engaged in 
refining or sale of gasoline can be involved in price gouging?
    Secretary Granholm. I don't have an opinion on that.
    Mr. Armstrong. All right. And you were talking about 
everything you are doing to have people increase production at 
this very time. And I actually agree with that. But in order to 
do that in my State, we are going to have stranded gas. There 
is no other way in which we can produce more oil and gas. And 
so I am assuming you and the Administration wouldn't agree to 
more flaring of natural gas to increase production.
    Secretary Granholm. I don't think flaring is a wise use. I 
think it is inefficient, not to mention a terrible practice for 
greenhouse gas emissions. So I think this issue has to be 
something that we work on together.
    Mr. Armstrong. Well, I agree completely. But the only way 
we can increase production at any level right now in the State 
of North Dakota is to increase flaring. There is no other 
option for that. We are stranded. We are the geographic center 
of North America. When the Administration is accusing companies 
that do business in my State of withholding production in order 
to do these things, we come back with that.
    First of all, they don't want to flare either. It is 
wasteful. It is an environmental process. We are one of the 
only states with EPA primacy. So we don't want to lose that. 
But we cannot increase production in North Dakota because of 
strategic infrastructure projects that have existed across this 
country that we can't get our gas to market. So we can't 
increase--you would agree--I mean, you know enough about North 
Dakota. We can't increase production substantially without 
flaring gas. Is that true?
    Secretary Granholm. I am not going to argue with you. You 
are there. I don't--I certainly wouldn't second-guess what you 
are saying on that.
    Mr. Armstrong. So in March, there was an interview on CNN. 
And you made a statement about wondering--or concerns about 
profiteering happening at the gas station level. Do you have 
any evidence that that is actually occurring?
    Secretary Granholm. That is what I was referring to when I 
just spoke about it a minute ago. This is all because of my 
experience as attorney general when stations, individual 
stations, were jacking up the price after 9/11 because they 
were playing upon the fears of people that everything was going 
to be shut down. So I am just saying that nobody should be 
profiteering at a moment of war or in a moment of crisis. I am 
sure you would agree.
    Mr. Armstrong. War profiteering is a crime. And to be 
saying it in any kind of absolute because it may have happened 
sometime in the past, I think is incredibly----
    Secretary Granholm. I am just saying----
    Mr. Armstrong [continuing]. Irresponsible.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Everybody should be aware 
that that is not the right thing to do, whether it is legal or 
not. We don't want to see people profiteering at the expense of 
people who are just buying gas.
    Mr. Armstrong. Passive accusations are still accusations. 
And with that, I will yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentlelady from Delaware, Ms. 
Blunt Rochester, for 5 minutes.
    Ms. Blunt Rochester. Thank you, Chairman Rush and Ranking 
Member Upton, and welcome, Secretary Granholm.
    I want to begin by complimenting you on your consistently 
clear, practical, and knowledgeable--knowledge-based way of 
leading and also communicating at both a challenging time in 
our history as well as an opportunity for innovation. I want to 
thank you for that. We in Delaware were particularly 
appreciative of your visit to our State when you came to 
celebrate the Energy Star Program and also highlight energy 
efficiency and weatherization successes in our State as well as 
our country.
    Madam Secretary, you and I have also had the conversation 
previously about my legislation, H.R. 1485, the Open Back 
Better Act, which directs DOE to provide grants to retrofit 
public buildings, making them more energy efficient and more 
resilient. This legislation requires that grantees use at least 
40 percent of funding to implement projects in environmental 
justice communities. And this is an important provision because 
we need to ensure that clean energy is affordable and 
accessible to all Americans regardless of race, income, or ZIP 
Code.
    Grant programs like these help the U.S. lead by example and 
guide the clean energy transition. It shows that we can provide 
good-paying union jobs that will help us solve the climate 
crisis. Clean energy jobs and technical advances are integral 
to the future of work, and we are grateful to the Department of 
Energy for leading the country toward a more sustainable and 
prosperous future.
    As we are witnessing the electrification of the 
transportation sector, it is rapidly accelerating. Electric 
cars, trucks, public transit vehicles are more common than 
ever. Range anxiety is decreasing, but electric vehicles, as my 
colleagues, Ms. Barragan and Mr. Welch have mentioned, and 
charging stations are still not accessible to everyone, 
sometimes due to cost, other times due to geographic isolation.
    And you mentioned the important work that DOE is doing with 
the Department of Transportation's Joint Office of Energy and 
Transportation. But can you elaborate on how the President's 
budget would complement and further the EV infrastructure work 
outlined by the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. Thank you for that. Because the 
technology associated with both charging decisions, planning, 
etc., all have to flow from that initial investment that you 
voted for, which is to ensure that every pocket of the country 
has access to charging. So we can't just leave it at that. We 
have to make sure that it is done well. We have to make sure 
that it is done in partnership with communities. And that is 
why that State and Community Energy Program is part of the 
budget that we are asking you to support. We have to do this 
listening. We have to do it knowing that there are communities 
that may be--for whom it may not be an obvious hand raise 
because they don't have access to the information. So this is 
why it is critical to have a two-way dialog and that we have an 
office that is able to carry that conversation forward to make 
sure it is done in an equitable way and that the next-
generation technologies are the ones being used.
    Ms. Blunt Rochester. Excellent. And as a followup, can you 
elaborate on how the DOE's hydrogen hub initiative can assist 
in decarbonizing the heavy-duty transportation sector as well 
as the manufacturing industry?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. Great question. I mean, we know 
that these hydrogen hubs are of all flavors. But one of the 
most important areas for us to focus on is decarbonizing that 
heavy-duty sector, whether it is heavy-duty transportation or 
heavy-duty industry. And industry--heavy-duty industry 
comprises about 24 percent of our greenhouse gas emissions. So 
the hydrogen, as a solution to be able to help decarbonize 
those, is absolutely one of the pieces of the hydrogen hub 
competition, if you will, that we will be putting out.
    Ms. Blunt Rochester. Thank you. And earlier this year, the 
Department created two new undersecretary roles, including an 
undersecretary for infrastructure, which will oversee the new 
State and Community Energy Program Office. How will this new 
structure boost local clean energy deployment, and how does the 
President's budget support it?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. This, too, is a great question. 
When we created the undersecretary for infrastructure, it was 
really about making sure that the $62 billion from the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law is spent by experts in the best 
way possible and that we have a column of our responsibility 
that focuses now on major demonstrations and deployment. As I 
said before, we usually had been--in the past, our DNA really 
had been in the labs and in research and development.
    But now we are taking that technology, and we are putting 
it out. And so creating people who--creating offices that have 
expertise--for example, the Office of Clean Energy 
Demonstrations, that has demonstration--that has people who are 
experts in project management and doing big construction 
projects so that we do it right and that we respect the 
taxpayer dollars.
    Ms. Blunt Rochester. Thank you so much.
    And I yield back, Mr. Chairman.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes Mr. O'Halleran, as there are no 
more Republican members of the subcommittee. The Chair will now 
recognize Mr. O'Halleran for 5 minutes.
    Mr. O'Halleran. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member 
Upton for holding today's meeting.
    Good to see you again, Secretary Granholm. And I want to 
thank you for coming out to Northern Arizona earlier this 
month. A little less dust today, a little less wind. So I am 
glad we are a little bit more comfortable. I am glad you got to 
see firsthand the investments Navajo Nation is making in 
renewable energy and the opportunity it holds for jobs and 
economic growth.
    There are multiple renewable projects across Arizona in 
District 1, like in Pinal County and Coconino County and Navajo 
County. And there is enormous potential there as well as the 
rest of the Southwest for solar and wind capacity. While I was 
proud to support the vital programs for clean energy, the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, only through sustained Federal 
investment can we ensure adequate research, development, and 
development for technology that enables a carbon-free future 
for our children. I am glad that you were also able to see 
firsthand the challenges that the transition for communities in 
my district and across America where coal-fired power plants 
have been or are scheduled to be decommissioned.
    It is one thing to talk about jobs and community, but it is 
another thing entirely to meet with the communities impacted 
and hear directly from them. Thank you for doing that while you 
were out in Arizona. The economic future of our region is 
dependent on the successful transition to diversified 
industries once coal plants closed. This will take the support 
of Federal, State, and local governments. So I am glad we were 
able to have a productive dialog with the people that were 
going to be affected at every level of government.
    As you know, a key part of my bill, the New Promise Act, 
was enacted last year with the creation of the interagency 
working group for coal communities, which is administrated by 
the Department of Energy. What work is being done by the 
working group to support communities like those in Arizona's 
1st District as coal generation for power plants are set to be 
decommissioned? Thank you, Secretary.
    Secretary Granholm. Thank you. Thank you for being my 
navigator to--as we went in Northern Arizona. I have great 
respect for the size of your district and how much time that 
you have to spend in a vehicle all day to be able to meet your 
constituents. We are very focused on programs that make sure 
that tribal but rural areas as well are able to plan 
effectively. We have an energy transition initiative pilot that 
is in the budget for $5 million that helps to provide technical 
assistance to rural and remote sort of islanded communities. We 
are doing this as well with this community's LEAP program that 
I was talking about earlier. We are looking for every way to 
ensure that communities like the Navajo have additional 
opportunity to be able to participate through our tribal loan 
guarantee program.
    But we also want to make sure that the plans are available 
and the technical assistance is provided. And that is what 
these rural programs are all about in the budget. And I am 
hopeful that in Northern Arizona, we will be able to make that 
happen to--for--I mean, I know we visited the Hopi community. 
We visited, I think, the Saint Johns. I am excited to see those 
communities take advantage of the technical assistance that we 
are willing to offer.
    Mr. O'Halleran. Thank you, Secretary. Another question 
would be, first of all, to thank you. In the Fiscal Year 2022 
omnibus, Congress provided the ability for DOE to allow tribes 
to access direct loans for the energy--Tribal Energy Loan 
Guarantee Program. In December 2020, Congress passed the 
bipartisan Energy Act of 2020. It included a bill I introduced 
with Congressman Burgess known as the EASE Act, which created 
an energy storage and microgrid program for electric 
cooperatives. Can you update me on the progress of the 
Department's work to make that and implement that program?
    Secretary Granholm. I am sorry. Are you referring to the 
Direct Loan Program? Is that what you said?
    Mr. O'Halleran. No, the first--the EASE Act, the Energy 
Storage and Microgrid Program--cooperatives.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We are--this again refers to rural 
and local communities like cooperatives, making sure that they 
have the technical assistance and the funding to be able to do 
microgrids, especially for communities that may not be attached 
directly to a grid. It is a priority of our Energy Electricity 
Office. It is a priority as well of EERE, our Energy Efficiency 
and Renewable Energy Office, to ensure that they can take 
advantage of clean energy as well, even if they are remote and 
not particularly connected to a grid.
    Mr. O'Halleran. Thank you, Madam Secretary.
    And Mr. Chairman, I yield.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Texas, Mr. 
Crenshaw, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you to the 
ranking member for holding this hearing.
    And thank you, Secretary Granholm, for joining us in 
person. I want to talk mainly about our domestic energy 
production and exporting more natural gas. You have been saying 
a lot of the right things today, and we appreciate that, 
appreciate that you have stated very clearly that you want to 
do everything you can to support domestic energy production. So 
let's assume that the Department of Energy is doing exactly 
that, which is, of course, what you represent.
    But the Administration is really what I have questions 
about. Does Gina McCarthy feel the same way? Does John Kerry 
feel the same way? Does Administrator Regan agree with your 
statement that we need to be increasing our exports to Europe 
by 65 percent, that we need to do everything we can to 
encourage domestic production? Is there consensus in the 
Administration?
    Secretary Granholm. The President has said we need to 
increase domestic production, and we all work for the 
President. So there is consensus.
    Mr. Crenshaw. The reason I ask and the reason I am 
skeptical, of course--again, I--Department of Energy seen--
let's take it--let's take you at your word there. And you don't 
oversee the SEC. You don't oversee NEPA regulations, but the 
EPA does. So I am skeptical that the Administration actually 
feels this way because I have a long list of things that make 
it very difficult for anyone to want to invest in more 
production, SEC climate disclosure rules, restricting U.S. 
overseas fossil fuel investments, State Department nationwide 
permitting, nationwide Permit 12, gas turbine rules, NEPA 
regulations, gas plant GHD standard updates, post--natural gas 
emissions, methane rules at the EPA, FERC changing pipeline 
requirements for natural gas, CWA 401. It is a long list. I 
want to know are you getting--is your message getting through 
to these other members of the Administration? I think clearly 
fight--fights you on this.
    Secretary Granholm. We recognize as an administration right 
now that we are in--on war footing. And we have to increase 
supply to help our allies and to be energy-independent. Now, we 
are the No. 1 exporter of LNG. We are the No. 1 producer in the 
world of LNG. We are the number--we are almost record of oil. 
We are the No. 1 producer of oil. So we are producing. The 
question is can we use some of that to help our allies. And I 
am sure you would agree that it is important for us to think 
medium/long-term to accelerate our movement toward clean 
energy, which makes us also energy-independent. So we 
understand we have got an emergency need right now. The entire 
Administration understands that and that we also have to 
accelerate the clean technologies that will allow us to be--to 
decarbonize and address climate change.
    Mr. Crenshaw. Of course, and I am all about the 
accelerating innovation and cleaner technologies, especially 
nuclear energy, carbon-capture technology. But let's talk about 
reducing global emissions for a minute too and how that is 
related to natural gas. I mean, half the world's emissions are 
because of foreign coal. In the last 12 months, the growth in 
international coal emissions basically had the impact of wiping 
out all of the emission benefits of 50 years of wind and solar 
in the United States.
    So if you are looking at low-hanging fruit, you are 
looking--how do you displace this dirty fuel that developing 
countries are burning at extraordinary rates? And the answer is 
very clearly natural gas. So look. If the Administration is on 
board, great. It doesn't seem to be the message for the last 
year and a half. But if that has changed, that is great. But if 
you need more arguments, please use that one. Please. The 
quickest way to reduce emissions in the short-term in a way 
that doesn't trap people in poverty is to displace foreign coal 
with natural gas. I am sure you would agree with that.
    Secretary Granholm. We are--as I say, we are exporting 
record amounts of natural gas. And we have permitted everything 
we can permit within our four corners of our country to be able 
to do that. It is a step. But it would also be great. And I 
know the natural gas community believes this. If we can button 
down the methane leakage, the methane flaring, make sure--and 
these hydrogen hubs will be an opportunity to be able to also 
do--address the CO2.
    Mr. Crenshaw. Fully agree. A great----
    Secretary Granholm. Technology can really make it cleaner. 
And let's not send the message that we don't also want to 
expand clean energy solutions in those countries as well. I 
think that we can do that. We can decarbonize, and we can also 
deploy clean technologies for these countries.
    Mr. Crenshaw. Agree. Look. A key part of also reducing 
things like flaring is allowing ourselves to build more 
pipelines. I have run out of time, but I really wanted to ask 
about what the Department of Energy is doing to really foster 
nuclear innovation and production in this country, but I am out 
of time, so I yield back. The chairman wants to let you hit 
that----
    Secretary Granholm. I can submit----
    Mr. Crenshaw [continuing]. Love it.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Something in writing too.
    Mr. Crenshaw. Thank you.
    Mr. Rush. All right. The Chair now recognizes Dr. Ruiz for 
5 minutes.
    Mr. Ruiz. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
    It is great to see you again, Madam Secretary. Thank you 
for visiting my district last Wednesday to learn more about the 
massive supply of lithium extracted through geothermal energy 
production at the Salton Sea. This lithium deposit, the fifth 
largest in the world, has the national security and strategic 
priority potential to propel our country into a clean energy 
future by providing one of the critical raw materials needed 
for lithium batteries that power our electrical vehicles.
    I was pleased to bring you to North Shore at the Salton Sea 
so you could hear directly from local residents, especially 
moms, about the environmental and public health crisis at the 
sea and our clean energy opportunities in the region. We also 
visited many community leaders from Imperial County at 
Calipatria High School to discuss how lithium could be 
transformative for the region but only if it was done right. 
That means doing it with meaningful consultation with 
residents, labor union, environmental justice advocates and 
public health leaders. That means doing it in a way that 
protects the environment and public health around the Salton 
Sea.
    That means doing it with transformative community 
development benefits in infrastructure, healthcare, education 
and workforce development so that the people working in these 
lithium extraction facilities are the local community members 
who need and deserve these jobs. We need to make sure that the 
companies do not simply come in, extract the wealth from the 
community, and leave.
    That also means we should manufacture the batteries in the 
United States. My question is in what ways will your budget 
ensure that when the critical minerals are mined here
    in America, like the lithium underneath the Salton Sea, 
that they aren't just shipped to China but that the 
manufacturing, supply chain and, frankly, jobs stay here in the 
United States.
    Secretary Granholm. Great. Thank you for that. There is--I 
loved visiting. It was so eye-opening. You were amazing. 
Really, really enjoyed hearing from the community as well and 
the importance of that community consultation process but not 
just consultation but really incorporating the concerns as we 
decide where to spend, for example, the money from the 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Law.
    We will be issuing a--the funding opportunity announcement 
shortly on batteries. Part of component of that solicitation 
will be making sure that communities, environmental justice, 
etc., have been taken into account. So it is going to be 
embedded in what we are doing going forward. And we are very 
excited about that. So stay tuned to see those.
    Mr. Ruiz. Wonderful. Wonderful. So while this 
Administration and your Department have been trying to ensure 
that our electrical vehicles have a domestic supply chain and 
that is reflected in this budget, I want to know how you plan 
to implement these programs in a way that guarantees meaningful 
consultation because meaningful consultation is not just the 
initial visit, listening, incorporating. It is a partnership 
throughout the whole process that also addresses any potential 
risks with any potential resources that may mitigate those 
risks in a way that guarantees this meaningful consultation 
with local communities, provides transformational community 
development benefits, and protects the local environment, 
public health.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. We hope that, by embedding it into 
the funding opportunity announcement as a requirement with a--
you know, a percentage of weight associated with whether a--
somebody who is soliciting the grant will qualify, they have 
got to show that they have engaged in a meaningful way with the 
community. And I, again, appreciate the chance to visit because 
you really made that clear as we visited Salton Sea about the 
importance of doing that for the community. It is one thing to 
know intellectually. It is another thing to be on the ground 
and seeing it, and I appreciate your leadership.
    Mr. Ruiz. Thank you. And the local residents appreciated 
you and your historic visit to the area. As you saw, it is one 
of the most economically under-resourced, underserved 
communities in the State of California and possibly in our 
Nation. And there is a great win-win for not only our Nation 
and our national security, but it is a transformational 
opportunity to allow hundreds of thousands to enter the middle 
class with good work, with bolstering healthcare, with 
education and environmental justice and giving them 
opportunities that prior to this was very difficult to imagine. 
So I thank you for partnering with me in this, and I look 
forward to continuing to work with you and the local residents 
on this. Thank you.
    I yield back.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman yields back.
    Madam Secretary, we have one more. I know we are over your 
hard stop, but we have one more member who--to ask questions. 
We have two more. Sorry. I didn't----
    Secretary Granholm. OK.
    Mr. Rush [continuing]. See Ms. Dingell.
    Voice. Debbie Dingell is going to be the last, I think.
    Secretary Granholm. Oh, OK.
    Voice. You don't want to say no.
    Secretary Granholm. Saving the best for last. No----
    Voice. Right.
    Secretary Granholm [continuing]. Offense.
    Voice. Yes. That is right.
    Secretary Granholm. The last two.
    Mr. Rush. The chair now recognizes the gentleman from 
Pennsylvania, Mr. Joyce, for 5 minutes.
    Mr. Joyce. First, I want to thank Chairman Rush and Ranking 
Member Upton for allowing me to waive onto this subcommittee 
hearing, and thank you, Secretary Granholm, for appearing with 
us today. As we have heard from many of my colleagues, America 
is in the midst of an energy crisis. It wasn't long ago that 
our Nation was energy-dominant, not just energy-independent but 
energy-dominant.
    And for the first time since 1952, we were a net energy 
exporter. And now, my constituents are suffering from 
skyrocketing inflation caused, in part--in large part by the 
rapid increase in energy prices. What America needs, we need 
right now, is more affordable and reliable baseload power. We 
need to invest in innovative technologies that take advantage 
of the energy reserves beneath the feet of my constituents in 
Pennsylvania.
    So to that, we can keep our natural gas, our coal, our 
power plants online. Natural gas production in Pennsylvania not 
only led to America becoming energy-dominant. But it led to a 
significant decrease in our Nation's emissions. This is the 
real green technology that we should be talking about here 
today. By unleashing our gas industry, we would be able to move 
forward toward the goals that my colleagues across the aisle 
espouse and especially powering America and America's allies. 
This is the only way forward.
    In speaking to grid operators just this week, they made it 
clear that renewable energy programs simply do not have the 
capabilities to meet American energy needs. This isn't a 
political statement. This is a statement of fact. With new 
technology development, Pennsylvania has become energy that 
allows us to get out of this crisis and give Americans the 
economic futures that they deserve.
    Secretary Granholm, at present, a lack of pipeline and LNG 
capacity is hampering our ability to respond to the global 
energy price spikes and support our allies in Europe. There is 
a growing list of pending projects that have been delayed by 
the DOE. They would create jobs and encourage additional energy 
production, allowing the U.S. to deliver several billion cubic 
feet more, seven billion--several billion cubic feet in 
addition of natural gas to our allies in Europe and around the 
world.
    The authorization of two more LNG export projects is a step 
in the right direction. But it is not enough. Madam Secretary, 
do you see the strategic need for America to be able to supply 
our allies with liquefied natural gas?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mr. Joyce. Would you commit here today to supporting 
increasing the export of American liquid natural gas?
    Secretary Granholm. We have already permitted 30 billion 
cubic feet of natural gas that has not even been constructed 
yet. In other words, it is almost three times what we currently 
export. We export about 12 billion cubic feet. We have 
permitted an additional 30 billion cubic feet. There is no 
permits that are waiting that have--that are on the U.S. soil 
that I am responsible for. We have permitted everything in the 
United States for liquefied natural gas because we want to 
assist our allies, even as we want to, as well, move to clean 
energy.
    Mr. Joyce. It is a great point that you make. We need to 
support our allies. Given the current international 
circumstances and Putin's energy blackmail--that is what it 
is--of Poland and Bulgaria. Will you commit to working with 
industry to expedite future LNG projects and pipelines to 
respond to that need that our allies need right now?
    Secretary Granholm. As I said, we have permitted already an 
additional 30 billion. I just permitted--we, the Department of 
Energy, just permitted two more that will allow for those 
volumes to go to Europe as a non-free-trade agreement. We did 
the same thing in March with two other facilities. There are no 
more permits inside of the United States that are waiting for 
us to be able to act because we have got so much already 
permitted.
    Mr. Joyce. But as those additional permits arise, I think 
we both recognize the need for that, for supporting our allies. 
Today, it perhaps couldn't be even more important.
    Secretary Granholm. Very important.
    Mr. Joyce. And I appreciate your commitment to expanding 
that liquid natural gas export to support our friends and our 
allies. What Putin has done and the fact that our allies are 
funding the aggressive war in Ukraine today, this allows us to 
once again be that energy dominant force. I thank you for 
agreeing with me on that point, and I see my time has expired.
    Mr. Chairman, thank you, and I yield.
    Mr. Rush. The gentleman's time has expired.
    The Chair now recognizes the gentlelady from Michigan, Mrs. 
Dingell, for 5 minutes.
    Mrs. Dingell. Thank you, Chairman Rush, for holding this 
important hearing, my dear friend, the ranking member of this 
committee, and to see my dear friend testifying before the 
committee today.
    And I want to say that when you took over a year ago, I 
said you couldn't be a better leader at a time when we needed 
to transition to a new era and a new economy, one that is going 
to be built on clean energy and by American workers. And you 
and President Biden have delivered in many ways to accelerate a 
massive shift to electrification and clean energy here in the 
United States, which, by the way, will help us not be dependent 
on autocratic leaders who are using fossil fuels as a weapon 
around the world. I commend you and the Administration's hard 
work. But I want to now ask you some questions about--that--
what the work we continue to do to be a world leader. I am glad 
that you again reaffirm to my colleagues on the other side 
there are no permits pending, none, on LNG. But I would like to 
ask you--build on some of the questions my friends have asked 
on critical minerals.
    Currently, the auto industry is experiencing significant 
challenges in the semiconductor supply chain--in both product 
disruptions and inventory shortages. And Flat Rock is closed 
today because I don't have those chips for a couple more days. 
There is a huge backlog, but it was exciting to see the F-150 
vehicle come off the line this week.
    At the same time, the auto industry has made significant 
commitments to vehicle electrification with automakers planning 
to invest $515 billion globally over the next five to ten 
years. As the markets for EV grow, will the demand for EV 
batteries and battery materials, many--which we know are 
currently sourced overseas and could be subject, again, to the 
kind of supply chain issues we are seeing at the moment.
    Can you provide more details on how the recent decision by 
the Administration to invoke the Defense Production Act as 
supporting domestic sourcing and processing of these critical 
minerals----
    Secretary Granholm. Yes.
    Mrs. Dingell [continuing]. That will help?
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. I believe, while we have been 
sitting here talking, there has been a proposal by the 
Administration released to fund the Defense Production Act 
component of--that he previously issued an executive order on 
to help us become energy-independent through--partially through 
batteries for electric vehicles.
    And that means that the Department of Defense will take the 
lead on that component. I think it is $500 million, if I am not 
mistaken, that he announced today. In addition to that, though, 
we are focused at the Department of Energy in releasing the 
funding opportunity announcements for batteries. And of course 
the precursor to which is the critical materials.
    We have got a strategy both as a whole-of-government, an 
intergovernmental group that is working on critical minerals as 
well as the Department of Energy. And that effort is being led 
by the Department of Energy. It is about responsible--it is 
about the full pipeline, as you are aware. It is about 
responsible extraction. It is about processing, which is one of 
the funding opportunity announcements that will go out very 
soon from the Department of Energy. We do no processing of 
critical minerals in the United States. We have got to do some. 
And so we have got to--if--take those--that lithium from the 
Salton Sea and make sure it is processed in a responsible way 
so that we don't have to send it to China and have it come 
back. So those components are all part of that Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law, the pieces of which we will be--we will be 
executing on. I am very excited about it.
    Mrs. Dingell. And I'm going to work with you on that. I 
have got about 1 minute left. And I do want to talk about 
electric vehicles because the critical condition for consumer 
acceptance is access to a reliable charging infrastructure and 
their affordability. You know where we are right now. The 
Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill gave a significant down payment 
but not enough. As EV market grows, the United States looks 
rapidly to expand EV charging.
    It is important to ensure we are investing in the right 
type of things that have to be done. Can you give this 
committee an overview of the work to date of the joint office? 
You have talked about already but deploy a nation-wide network 
of charging stations. Highlight the investments that are going 
to be needed if we are going to make this long-term objective 
work. Thank you.
    Secretary Granholm. Yes. Thank you so much. Thanks for the 
seven-and-a-half billion dollars in the Bipartisan 
Infrastructure Law for the vehicle charging infrastructure. The 
first $5 billion is going to be out this summer to communities 
in a formula manner after we have heard responses from a 
funding--excuse me--a request for information from those 
communities. We have gotten that back.
    The second chunk--the first five billion will go out over 
the summer on a first-come, first-served basis from 
communities. And the second chunk of it will go out on a 
competitive basis later in the year. Both pieces are super 
important. Every community should have access to electric 
vehicle charging infrastructure. And I applaud the communities 
like in Michigan that have also leveraged additional State 
funding to fill in additional pockets of places where there 
isn't charging infrastructure. States can be a good partner in 
this.
    Mrs. Dingell. Thank you. We are going to need more money, 
though, as you know, to make this totally work.
    I yield back, Mr. Chair.
    Mr. Rush. The gentlelady's time has expired. The gentlelady 
yields back.
    Madam Secretary, you have been most gracious with your 
time, and we certainly appreciate you being here once again. 
This concludes the witness questions. And thank you, Madam 
Secretary, for your participation in today's hearing. I want to 
remind Members that, pursuant to committee rules, they have ten 
business days to submit additional questions for the record to 
be answered by the witness, who has appeared. I ask the 
Secretary if she would respond promptly to any such questions 
that you may receive.
    Before we adjourn, I request unanimous consent to enter a 
previously agreed-upon list of documents into the record. 
Without objection, so ordered.
    Mr. Rush. At this time, the subcommittee stands adjourned.
    [Whereupon, at 1:34 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.]
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